Japanese tanks...(revived)

Please point to a thread, www or any other site that shows that somone has tested, looked at, or even used what the japanese are using - let alone put those lights to the test. You seem to be going back to the 50w red light. You need to move past that.

I don't think you understand what I am trying to convey here. WHAT ARE THE JAPANESE USING FOR LIGHTS - BESIDES the Metal halides, BESIDES the 50w red light. Can you tell me this? I didn't think so. Thats what I am trying to find out. I don't need sarcasm or negativity. If I fail, thats my problem. I don't beleive everything I read, or see. Yes there are some thing unanswered and we can only guess.

If you don't have anything to contribute, than please don't say anything at all. I don't see you helping.

I as an individual want something more. Something better than the bland blue and white. The japanese tanks make me realize that. Is it feasible? Yes, in some form. Will I ever find out, hopefully.

Anyways, thanks for your insight!
 
Guys, i think you guys are missing the point...Absolutc, is being open minded..as we all should..there isnt only one way to grow corals..and not only one way to look at this...he is walking the walk and talking the talk..maybe he will stumble on someting we will all use one day. Something NEW and innovative. That is what this board is here for..so we can learn something new..not to do the same old things the same old way we do have a few great tanks but it can be better..The Japs, well we all have differnt feelings about the Japs..but i tell you this..i have a buddy that travels over to japan to pick up car parts and i always ask him to check out some reef tanks out there..and all he can say is it looks ten times cleaner than my tank..i wouldnt mind not haveing my clean my glass so often..wouldnt you? The Germans have there reefing ways and so do we...and you cant tell me we havent tried to mimmic the germans..so what harm can this become?

In foreign countries they do dye corals..and fish..and so on..but you also have to give them credit for the research they do put into their methods. Where else would you find a half million dollar REd arowwana ? only in Japan..Where do you find the finest breeds in KOI's? and where else will you find better corals? Some of the corals you see are black market, i can tell you that much, but being such doesnt mean the coral will have such a vibrant color..which i have come to the conclusion teh Japs have a leg up on us in the reefing industry..this is only MY OPINION..and i would like to catch up and have a tank every one can ohhh and ahhh over..ill take a Japanese tank over any US tank..sorry but you cant compare..Lemons or oranges..they just have nice reef tnaks...and if someone wants to spend a few buks to try to copy there ways, we all should commend him...good going Absolutc, i sure you will be the first...

Paul
 
Thank you all for your support :) Happy to hear people have opened minds these days!

For all you non beleivers out there or those that are unsure - here is a picture. If you look at it, I have circled the reflections of the lights. You can clearly see different colored lights.

Colors.JPG


Some of the lights appear to be DE bulbs (doubled ended). Some of them I can not tell as of yet. Food for thought tho!

Here is a picture of another version of the MR-16's. These have colored dichroic reflectors - inside the lamp, instead of the lens.

mr16.jpg



Lastly, here is another japanese tank - very well done indeed!

planted.jpg



Well, enjoy! I should have some more info today and hopefully a supplier of these bulbs at the end of the day :) Hopefully!

Kris
 
I think freshwater planted tanks would have to have their own specific topic...I am a planted freshwater lover and can say that the germans and japanese are far more advanced and have many more things available than we do...

...That is a pretty nice aquascape...I think mine is better though :)



My question here that I am having a hard time following is this:

We don't know what lights the japanese are using so how did someone (whoever it was) come to the theory that the mr-16's are the same or even close to the same thing? I am just trying to see where we are getting at here....

Been a fun thread,
 
I still think most of these if not all are set up just to photograph.
My one point...LOOK at their SILICONE on the tanks it is SO white it looks new.I dont know how anyone can clean this part so well,it colors as it ages.Plus were is the ENCRUSTING growth?I'm sorry if you can't see my point,but they look to set up and photoshoped to me.

I'm going to pass on the disco lights too.:rolleyes:
 
Depending on age and - some tanks will no longer have internal silicone. You can also build a tank, without it too. Yes, it is possible.

I can show you several tanks that have no internal silicone. :)
 
absolutc said:
Depending on age and - some tanks will no longer have internal silicone. You can also build a tank, without it too. Yes, it is possible.

I can show you several tanks that have no internal silicone. :)
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I think you might have missread he wasn't pointing out the lack of silicone as all acrylic tanks (those made correctly) dont have silicone. He was pointing out that they are spotless- so unless they are cleaning their silicone meticulusly he's suspicious of the age of the tanks....
 
My one point...LOOK at their SILICONE on the tanks it is SO white it looks new.I dont know how anyone can clean this part so well,it colors as it ages.
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Umm, yes they were talking about silicon. I don't see anything about acrylic in there post. I do understand where they are coming from tho.

My silicon is still nice. Nothing grows on it. Not even coralline or algae. It always looks clean. Perhaps the use of a toothbrush might clean them??

This is not towards anyone - but just my opinion - why is it always the american way to right off anything that looks good or better than what we have? Or find all the flaws and call it fake? Where is the proof?
 
umm yes we all are talking about silicon. I think you need to pay attention since you completely dismissed his point out hand by claiming to know of tanks that dont use silicone..so what ...his point remains valid their silicone is suspiciously clean for a mature tank.

A mature tank will always have some growth or discoloration of the silicone -ALWAYS- i have NEVER seen ANY mature tank NOT have growth or discoloration. and I have seen hundreds of tanks.

This has nothing to do with the American way of doing things, algae is universal and ominpresent in reef tanks.

Skepticism too is universal and not relegated to the US. In this hobby fads and scams are ever present as someone rushes out with "the latest and greatest" thing or light or additive to make the reefs ever better or ever more colorful and most of it is bunk.

This hobby -because of the high dollor amount of the occupants- is a constant target for scams and bogus claims. I don't see where America or Americans have lock on that.....
 
I started this thread for the simple purpose of viewing interesting Japanese tanks and it has now deteriorated into a bickering back and forth on whether or not silicone was discussed.

Leftovers and Absolutc: you guys are taking it off track. Let's stick with the topic at hand...interesting Japanese tanks, OK? Thank you.
 
Skipper,

I have to say that this thread(and the other Japanese tank threads) is what helped me decide to go with my new setup of a cube tank. Once I can get some of my extra SPS out of the tank I want to set up my 45 in a similar manner. I may not have the real estate of a larger tank but who knows. ;)
 
absolutc: I think I see a UFO reflected in the glass of that one tank...
Just kidding, I have been following this lighting research and I am really intrigued. In my opinion if the colored supplemental light was dim enough so that it did not color the surrounding rock, but still punched up the zoo of the corals, that could really look great.
 
FWIW

FWIW

I had a 20W NO purple(50/50) fluorescent over my reef for a while, I use radiums, and I feel that some of the colors don't get represented as they should with such a high K bulb. I eventually broke the 50/50 tube because I am clumsy and never replaced it.

I do know that one 20W bulb changed the look of the tank dramatically. The reds were MUCH more vivid than they were under radium + actinic only.

I have an orange clam, and it looks blue/green under the radiums, but when the sun hits it from the window across the room it is a stunning orange. If I could find a way to display the true colors of that clam then I would be pretty excited.

I think people that are getting upset and calling it a waste are missing the point. Of course this idea is useless on a prop tank, but in a display things change. Providing supplemental colored lighting could have a dramatic effect even if it is totally useless for stimulating the zooxanthellae of the corals.

It all boils down to what you want. If you want to grow many corals fast then you are right, this is probably a waste of time. If you are trying to create a dramatic display of colorful creatures then this may be the right thing to experiment with.

Personally, I don't think there will be any dramatic effect on any coral's growth from any of this type of supplemental lighting. Then again, that wasn't ever the point being made. Everybody is right, but only some of us are paying attention.

Skipper might be right, maybe we should start our own thread.
 
Maybe its their extreme usage of high UV DE bulbs. Remember that really bright corals are exposed to full sun at low tide, that's a lot of UV. You can't get a tan with a MH as fast as you can get one with the sun. Maybe there secret is a glass shield that only blocks out a little UV. I haven't seen a mixed sps, lps, or softie Jap. tank yet. So if there was only sps's use to UV then they could get away with it. I think if you got acros that were acclimated to high UV and used a plain tempered glass shield and not a treated one, they might keep their colors.

Maybe take a ten gallon, plumb it to a larger tank, fully inclose the hood, use a 70-150w DE MH with plain glass and get a really colorful acro(like a bright green or blue that looks like it was getting lots of UV, thick branches might signal that it had been high up with lots of flow and UV). Also if your worried about the UV hurting your eyes maybe take the tank apart and get the outsides treated for UV. Might be part of their secret.:)
 
Leonard - Having reread the posts in this thread, I've decided to remove my response.
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What do you mean by this?


Anathema - you summed it up pretty good. If anything its more for coloration for us and display. If it helps the corals in anyway, then that is a bonus.

Perhaps I will start a Japanese Lighting thread. I also have some info on LED's. But I will stay focused for now.
 
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