It was done, just not worthy of a sticky I guess.
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My journey using Chloroquine Phosphate begins...
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It was done, just not worthy of a sticky I guess.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2397496&highlight=chloroquine+primer
Deinonych
New member
I'm sure it happens from time to time, but a Cryptocaryon infection has very specific symptoms that are usually quite obvious (e.g. white "salt sprinkles," flashing, rapid respiration etc.)
I had 5 fairy wrasses that survived a velvet outbreak. I got those 5 wrasses in CP treatment. They were doing fine the first week, eating and active. All 5 died the 2nd to 3rd week of treatment. Don't know if it was from CP or secondary infection.
Wish there was a med that wasn't so harsh on wrasses. I love them but I'm afraid to buy more cause they don't seem to do well with copper or CP, IMO.
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
I would TTM the wrasse they seem to fair the worst with CP. Follow the directions that come in/on the bottle.
In the stuff I've read sometimes fish don't exhibit all of the symptoms. And apparently no matter of the symptoms fish can carry various parasites asymptomatic.
Uronema doesn't need a host IIRC to stay fallow. So there's no waiting that one out.
So what I'm saying is for me - in my case, it's really difficult for me to determine which disease my little guys had.
I've read a few instances where people have outbreaks (not necessarily crypto) an by the time the fish are removed for treatment many have perished.
My guys mostly just breathed hard and were PERHAPS a little discolored. That's it. However, since they were new it's tough to tell what's "normal" for them.
Any comments on the New Life Spectrum Ich Shield?
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
Yes, tonight I spoke with the owner of NLS...as for ich shield powder and I would highly suggest dosing at the recommended dose and not at 40-80 mg/g like others have done with other sources of CP. He assured me he has been testing this for 2 yrs and has Achilles tangs and Moorish idols going thru treatment all the time without issue. He also claimed to have a Achiiles in treatment for 6 months straight now without and negative affects including bacteria infections. He said he would be foolish to release this product and taint the NLS name without proper and extensive testing/ research. He has been in the hobby for 45 yrs and basically summed it up like this... Fish are like humans, some of us are healthy are whole live and never have problems and others get terminal illness or other things that we can't really recover from and fish are the same way. Just because a fish has ich and this product is used doesn't mean something else might cause the fishes death that's unrelated. He also said it treats more than just ich but that's all they are claiming. I dosed the product like all other CP which was too much and cause me a few deaths with my fish but that's because I didn't read the directions well enough. I also know he makes next to nothing on selling 50g of CP for 25$ so it's really just something he put out to help the hobbiest. I spoke with him for 30 mins tonight after leaving a message earlier in the day and itwasahrafter they closed for the day. He was a great guy and it was nice to pick his brain
A little tangent but I thought I'll throw this out - this is a 150G FOWLR tank I put 10mg/l CP in 5 months ago when the tank got started, and didn't removed it.
FTS photo
I have never cleaned anything(glass/rocks/sand), but you can see it is so clean it still looks almost new.
It has typical FO light with very heavy feeding. These fish are pigs. The rock was dead rock from BRS.
Either I am lucky to never get a single algae spore in the tank or the CP is being an amazing house cleaner. I never got diatoms/hair algae/cyanobacteria/etc in this tank.
It has worked so well, that I almost recommend it just for cycling without the uglies - as long as you don't have wrasses.
[edit] - I'll just point out the CP would have to be completely cleaned out before adding corals in a reef tank.
FTS photo
I have never cleaned anything(glass/rocks/sand), but you can see it is so clean it still looks almost new.
It has typical FO light with very heavy feeding. These fish are pigs. The rock was dead rock from BRS.
Either I am lucky to never get a single algae spore in the tank or the CP is being an amazing house cleaner. I never got diatoms/hair algae/cyanobacteria/etc in this tank.
It has worked so well, that I almost recommend it just for cycling without the uglies - as long as you don't have wrasses.
[edit] - I'll just point out the CP would have to be completely cleaned out before adding corals in a reef tank.
qasim99
New member
Just for interest sake..
A few months ago i medicated my tank with Chloroquine. It was effective and has since been removed from my tank which is running smoothly at the moment.
When the tank was medicated, there was a shrimp which lived through that period unscathed. I also saw signs of live brine shrimp in the tank at the time, which leads me to believe that the brine shrimp in the tank survived through it as well.
This leads me to believe that CP is not lethal to crustaceans... can anybody confirm this please? And would this be true for copepods etc as well?
The reason im asking, is because i added a Mandarin to my tank several days ago. I was hesitant at first, but the LFS gave me some frozen cyclops, which he said the mandarin was eating. The past few days however, the mandarin has been constantly picking at the rocks, which leads me to believe it is eating live pods off the rock. Could thepods in my tank have survived through the chloroquine and mulitiplied in that time?
A few months ago i medicated my tank with Chloroquine. It was effective and has since been removed from my tank which is running smoothly at the moment.
When the tank was medicated, there was a shrimp which lived through that period unscathed. I also saw signs of live brine shrimp in the tank at the time, which leads me to believe that the brine shrimp in the tank survived through it as well.
This leads me to believe that CP is not lethal to crustaceans... can anybody confirm this please? And would this be true for copepods etc as well?
The reason im asking, is because i added a Mandarin to my tank several days ago. I was hesitant at first, but the LFS gave me some frozen cyclops, which he said the mandarin was eating. The past few days however, the mandarin has been constantly picking at the rocks, which leads me to believe it is eating live pods off the rock. Could thepods in my tank have survived through the chloroquine and mulitiplied in that time?
qasim99
New member
I have had a Regal tang die in a medicated tank. I added it to an already medicated tank, but it died 4 weeks later.. not sure on the cause, but it seemed very stressed the night before it died.
I don't want to rain on your parade, but...CP is a great algicide until it's no longer in the tank. Then it becomes a great source of leftover phosphate. That can be used by whatever algae or cyanobacteria is introduced next into your tank.
Many will scoff at my assumption that you have not added any algal spores into your tank, but if you've not added any new livestock, live rock, etc for the past 5 months it's possible/likely. Despite the myth, marine algal spores do not just float around in the air of most of our homes.
I also have a 150 FOWLR and used CP in my display tank over a year ago and subsequently had to fight a battle with a hideous invasive cyanobacteria for many months until I broke the tank down. During that time I had elevated Phosphate that I threw everything but the kitchen sink at - it would drop and then return. I assume it was leaching out of my rocks.
With my new tank, I used dry rock and seeded the tank (dry rock only) with a beneficial bacteria under complete darkness (kept tank covered) for weeks until introducing my first critter. This was to give the bacteria of my choice a chance to create a mature biofilm on all surfaces before introducing a photosynthetic organism into the tank.
So far I've been lucky and have had primarily diatoms (which I'm keeping going with occasional additions of Silicate) and some coraline algae that is slowly growing under my bright lights. Also some small patches of the red cyanobacteria that is easy to get rid of with manual removal, and occasional spot treatment of hydrogen peroxide.
My point is - check your phosphate, be careful about what you introduce into your tank (my diatoms came after I turned on the lights and added some fish, and the cyanobacteria after adding a coral frag that I did not quarantine). Consider seeding and keeping alive a group of micro-organisms that you like. The Nite-Out bacteria worked week for me in the past, but I'm not endorsing any products. And good luck.
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
I recently had been treating with eBay CP and then bought ich shield to treat with again since I noticed my clown tang scratching again. I dosed the ich shield at 40mg/g instead of the 30mg or 8ppm it recommends and did not have good results at all. All fish stopped eating that had been eating and everything I had died, except my 1spot foxface who hasn't eaten in 3 wks and is breathing heavily and has been for weeks. When I tore down my hospital tank I found Amphipods all over my rock that was in the hospital tank. I'm still at a loss for what killed all my fish ( I thought it was too high a dosage of CP, but after finding the Amphipods everywhere I don't think this was the case. I'm at a complete loss
Is it in the same tank/water? How did you remove the old ebay CP before dosing the ich shield?
-Matt
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
Massive water changes... The system was 330g give or take and I did 150g water change along with letting my lights run for 2 weeks. Point is if it negatively effected my fish then it without question should of killed any and all inverts... Although hermit crabs aren't killed by CP so I'm starting to think maybe crustations aren't effected? Either way the Amphipods should of died if the CP concentration was high enough to kill my fish. Been a $3K learning curve for me in the last 3 months with CP to say the least. Still not sure what happened and not sure I ever will but man does it suck. Been doing this for 17 yrs and this is the worst luck/loss I have ever experienced
I've had 10 fish in 3 tanks with Ich Shield at 40 mg/g for the last 3 weeks without issue. I have been doing weekly water changes and dosing the makeup at same level.
I ran first 3 weeks and thought I had knocked brook out, but had a couple fish flash a few times so I dosed again after 5 days running carbon. The first round I followed the instructions, but the second round I bumped it to 40mg/g and have had no issues. Yet, knock on wood.
Sorry to hear about your loss.
