pico reef pest algae problem challenge

[brandon429]

We might could do the submerged spot treatment on that leftover on the bottom I was thinking

I think you would really like having the top part killed off in the least, that's a lot of work to do I know at least we are just brainstorming before getting off on nine hours of hard work! Excellent test shot

 

[brandon429]

As some residual gets in the tank from upper treatment it really might have some effect on the lower, that's why I thought it would be prudent to kill what we can and take that challenging part last

 

[Napi Napoli]

Ok I'll post pics tomorrow of my test rock.

 

[NaClH2O Getaway]

Finally! its only 24 hrs (ish) and I'm starting to see something. I hope they don't recover but they are certainly looking affected.

 

[brandon429]

Hey can you see if they are all connected at the base by runners or stolon-like tissue or are they solitary

 

[brandon429]

That's a sick kill pic man. I can't wait to see how yours and drtechnos long term outlook turns out

A re treatment to catch hidden mass isn't uncommon but fast dieoff occurs in photos across several species now that's a good reference all these pics are nice

 

[drtechno]

Thanx for this post! I was beginning to think that I was the only one in this hobby with the neomeris problem. So do tell, I see you did 50/50 3% did you dip or drain and treat?

Would you mind sharing your water parameters for comparison to my own

Actually I removed the rock and, with a syringe, continuously dripped the 50/50 solution right onto the neometris for about 3 minutes... it did touch the favia but it did not receed or seem affected.

Honestly, I havent tested my parameters in 2 weeks so I would be lying if I posted them. My neometris isn't a problem yet, but I do have some popping up here and there.

 

[NaClH2O Getaway]

Hey can you see if they are all connected at the base by runners or stolon-like tissue or are they solitary

These things grow as individual stalks. I have a crab running around with a single one on its shell and hundreds growing in the sandbed to individual grains of sand.

 

[reckless1]

hello Brandon249,

i am just jumping in on this thread. i have GHA on a few of my rocks and some on the sand(sand i can easily scoop out with a net). very interesting results... my question is can i use the 3% on a rock that has a small colony of Button polyps and leave on for 3 mins and then rinse and put back in the tank. the other infected rocks can easily be removed so i am not worried about those...

robin

 

[reckless1]

will the 3% kill the button polyps if some gets directly on them....

 

[brandon429]

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There has been lots of times where people covered their palythoa/zoantharia in fresh 3% with no side effects, however the common practice by far across threads is to dilute the new bottle of peroxide with 50% fresh saltwater, so you dunk them in a 50/50 solution and apply that using a dropper right on the target. the small amount of side contact hasn't killed any palythoa/zoanthids on any peroxide thread out of the 5 we have linked here. Some even dip the whole frag in that 50/50! but I prefer just applying it to the target

make sure you take before and after pics thats what people really care about and thank you !!
B

 

[aka_lal]

Hi guys,

I have a 50 gallons reef with 90% SPS and I've been battling velonia algae and red turf algae for almost 1 year.

I have tried everything to reduce nutrients and nothing worked, so I decided to search for "alternative" methods.

All your reports about the use of peroxide made me want to try, so decided to go slowly and started first with some frag plugs, then with one small rock and then finally with all the rocks.
The method used in the first place was to take rocks out of water and spot treat with pure 3% solution (around the corals), leave it bubbling for 10 minutes and return the rocks back to the aquarium.

In a matter of 5 days every algae was white and my turbos all over it. After 15 days the rock was completely naked of both algae.No coral losses

The only thing that I did not treat was the turbo shells which became a mistake, because as they roam the rock eating the old dead algae were seeding with new one from the shells. 2 months passed and I've start to notice new spots growing
This may be a problem since if any spore remains in the water, sooner or later will spread again...

Before starting a new spot treatment I decided to try dosing the peroxide directly to the water in a rate from 1ml/gallons to 2ml/gallons with no side effect the fish/corals or effect to the new spots.Don't think that dosing to the water will ever do harm to algae in these small doses.

What I saw (and I really can't prove that was from the peroxide) was, since the moment that I dosed peroxide, a fast improve in the coralline algae growth and specially in SPS colors. Can anyone explain that? Could it be from the peroxide?

 

[Napi Napoli]

Ok 24hrs later on my test rock 50/50 3% @ 7 min

BEFORE


AFTER



Do you think I should treat it again or buy some 35%H202 ??

I would still love to know why I have this crap in my tank. I treat my tank like it's my baby. Weekly water changes,P04X4
NP biopellets!!!!

 

[NaClH2O Getaway]

checking in with a few quick parameters in case anyone is interested cal is low @ 320, Mg is 1350, PO4 is zero as is NO3. that blows the phosphate Nitrate theory out. good news is the neo are looking weaker today. whats the plan for a full tank treatment Brandon? I'd like to keep as much water (possibly running) so I can insure I get all of the spores that are mentioned whenever reading up on these things. can I just put in a couple bottles of 35% and let in run for 5-10 folowed with a couple solid waterchanges back to back??

 

[brandon429]

Napi how about spot applying 3% right to it with no 50 50 dilution? Either you have stronger than normal algae or a 1.5 % dilution takes a little longer. This is a nice test run in that we do nothing to your tank until we get a small scale response.



The best info I can relay is that when a new bottle is spot applied to green algae, even as a one minute application, much less 7 mins, there is marked or total death of it in 24 hours on these threads. A couple times on the nr thread we racked our brains for days wondering why a green hair algae patch wouldn't succumb only to find out the doser wasn't using a new bottle...he thought one opened a year ago would suffice. Is your peroxide new 3%, as in you just bought the bottle this week? if so then keep that same test rock and hit it undiluted. If no results by friday, giving it an extra day as well, we'll press on some other way.


Nacl I can't recommend the 35% systemic in good faith yet it seems too fast. I want for you the results dr techno posted. Comparing to drtechnos spot treatment which yielded complete melting/disappear in a short time, how does your test area look now? I presume it may not have changed much and you are itching for a faster kill... Another question, can you spot treat another area with a rock you can lift out, id like to have a larger test area vs that one stalk we saw turning white previously although I thought that looked like a good sign

Nacl the feeling I get from your tank is to watch negative biomass progress even if its painfully slow...i'm sure any extra dosing will speed it up but my gut says let it progress as is, its not accruing mass now its reversing. Id really like to wait a little longer but you keep spot treating what you can daily. If at any point you want to do a full tank dose I must recommend the 1 to 2mls per ten gallons, its what we know to be safe. If you can get by with any form of direct application, even if its a submerged spot treatment, I say go for that if the next few days spot tests aren't quick enough

I'm doing all this as swipe texting on a Droid I have right thumb itis now lol guess I asked for it heh

 

[brandon429]

Aka lal nice to meet you thanks for posting!!

Two points came to mind from your thread

1 or 2 mls per gallon is ten times or better the recommended dosage, did you mean per ten gallons?

Red brush algae comes up in my tank twice a year or so even though i'm off the chain on peroxide dosing...i'm wondering if over the course of a year your tank held such biomass that it will just take a few dedicated rounds to get it under control

I truly do not know how coralline would be boosted from its use, we usually see the opposite.

 

[NaClH2O Getaway]

Thanx Brandon.

I know I'm getting antsy I've dealt with this so long. I guess you're right and in the name of science I will take a little longer. Here's my issues, the rock i dipped the other day was a removable item with about 10 stalks on it. Its one of the very few rocks not epoxied to the rock-scape. The center piece is actually a single 30 lb branch that I wouldn't have a container to dip it into anyhow. Second, because these things are individual and with space in between them its hard to "spot treat" because there are literealy 10's of thousands and I'd have to soak each one individually. Unlike GHA where you can pour some on the mat and it will retain it for some time while it soaks in, the neo don't retain the h2o2 for any period and the runoff will not spread to other strands. When I thought about running a full tank treatment I was considering 35% diluted to be equivalent to a 50/50 3% solution. To have that ratio with standard 3% I'd have to buy a lot (50 gal). In a 100 gal true water volume I figured just under 4 gal @35% since equal parts will have roughly 12x the concentration of its 3% counter part. A couple 75% WC back to back would bring the majority of the peroxide back out with the remainder to evap like an open bottle does in addition to skimming and GFO.

 

[brandon429]

Ok that helps a lot I see what you mean now

Doesn't this make you sick

http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=301388

I wish we could just lift your whole structure out and dip it in a bowl!!

Back to reality though consider this brainstorm before we take action

Spray/mist application, a mist adheres much better than a drop

Is there any possible way for you to drain the tank, and mist the Neo, let sit for a minute then refill?

Just racking options before we systemically kick your neo in the balls

 

[brandon429]

If you went through that much trouble I wouldn't spray 3% id rock n roll much stronger...lol the nuke option at least a hefty custom 20ish

It still won't cause a recycle and in that I find it preferable to bleach...peroxide is a tamer nuke.

 

[NaClH2O Getaway]

It does make me sick. People that have this stuff know the nightmare. people that don't say " it looks cool" or " it's a macro I wish I could grow it" truth is it does look cool until it completely overgrows everything in your tank and thats all you see. a little known fact, it doesn't take in phosphate and nutrients like macro. Mostly just calcium. (ok my rant is over hahahahahahaha)

I do like your idea though. I wondered if a mist or spray would work to. Next issue, where is the good stuff. I hit a pool place today and the guy looked at me like I was off my rocker. I looked online for 35% but I'd have to have it shipped, pay hazmat charge etc. any outlets I should look into first?