pico reef pest algae problem challenge
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Napi Napoli
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Ok Brandon,
Before I throw away a 125lbs of rocks. What is a safe dose for fish @ 3% H202 dosing the whole tank?
Before I throw away a 125lbs of rocks. What is a safe dose for fish @ 3% H202 dosing the whole tank?
brandon429
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We use 1ml for ten gallons, but I don't see how that can work for your tank...a direct run didn't work? How did 29% do
brandon429
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Also I might not toss it, people cook bad rock all the time in bleach or acid...
pscott99
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That should be bleached pure white. Did you see lots of bubbling from the algae. Could be your H2O2 is no good. Try a different rock or a pump head.
brandon429
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This entire time I have mentally debated the quality of napoli's peroxide.
Hydroponics supply is for weed growing...not regulated quality control by anyone. If you buy 3%, from a pharmacy, it has to work because its worked for thousands of people and the live rock growth doesn't look atypical, nice call.
Nobody debates bleach will kill it...so worst case there is nuclear disassembly as worst case scenario
Hydroponics supply is for weed growing...not regulated quality control by anyone. If you buy 3%, from a pharmacy, it has to work because its worked for thousands of people and the live rock growth doesn't look atypical, nice call.
Nobody debates bleach will kill it...so worst case there is nuclear disassembly as worst case scenario
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brandon429
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The sad part is not being able to replicate success for him...all current kills with known good peroxide were so easy
Before we label that a resistant species I want to test a golfball sized chunk mailed to me. If in us, id pay for shipping ~
Before we label that a resistant species I want to test a golfball sized chunk mailed to me. If in us, id pay for shipping ~
brandon429
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Wonderful!!
brandon429
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I wonder if they disintegrate slowly or do you have to peel them off
Rk as confirmation you said you dipped that soft coral right there too, the Kenya tree? That's nice to know if so
Rk as confirmation you said you dipped that soft coral right there too, the Kenya tree? That's nice to know if so
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That's a finger leather. I dipped the base in 2 two minute dips with a 1 minute rinse after each dip. I have a Kenya tree that got dipped for a full 4 minutes. It is very unhappy right now. I don't know if it will make it but that's ok.
Napi Napoli
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Ok I don't know what happened today but both of my test rocks 3% and 29% are both white and clean !!!!!!!!!! I guess it needed a few days to kill this crap
So here is my plan of action for Wednesday 95% corals coming out into holding tank.
Is 3% at 1.5ml/10 safe for fish ?
So here is my plan of action for Wednesday 95% corals coming out into holding tank.
Is 3% at 1.5ml/10 safe for fish ?
brandon429
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Great! Yes that 3% dose has repeatedly tested fine for standard fare reef fish. Those I haven't seen tested were things like sygnathids, box fish, rarities etc. based off full tank pics you posted I feel great about your fish safety
brandon429
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Due to the week long delay in results I still think you have a challenging systemic run ahead
pscott99
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Just to clarify in case needed. That is what I meant by they should be bleached white, so good news. I did not mean to use bleach in case it was taken that way. Good news.
Subw00er
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Is there a summary of this thread somewhere Brandon? I've read for an hour and still feel like I'm missing stuff. Would be nice to know
-various treatment methods (spot, dip, tankwide)
-what it kills, and what it doesnt
-what it stuns
-do's and dont's..
Can you edit post #1 or something?
-various treatment methods (spot, dip, tankwide)
-what it kills, and what it doesnt
-what it stuns
-do's and dont's..
Can you edit post #1 or something?
brandon429
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Let me compile it here Rc won't let me edit missspellls from months ago lol threads lock in an hour. Ur right a summary is in order, not just of this thread but all the ones I peruse online to check for consistency. I'm at work so this will be in pieces:
Modes of application
External spot treatment, safe across all tanks as no peroxide gets back into tank
Remove target rock, apply to target only, wait two mins, rinse and reinstall
Target applications that wet benthic organisms such as pods and brittle stars that happen to be in the area may kill them. It won't affect the rest of the ones in the tank.
Whole rock/frag dip
For corals known tolerant, some people dip the whole frag/rock in a solution of half 3% peroxide half clean saltwater for a few mins, rinse, reinstall and this is very common
Emersed spot treatment, in tank: this begins methods that introduce peroxide into the tank. Its exclusively what I use and my videos show. Its popular because you leave things in place, you just drain water down to desired access level. Methods that input peroxide into tank assume you checked off your stocking list against a list of known sensitives. Most reef organisms are very tolerant of a little peroxide.
Whole tank dosing/1:10 dosing and submerged spot treatment are ran with a tank full of water. The easiest method involves the least work, its been used on giant tanks here, but contacts everything in the tank with peroxide so you have to be mindful of what's in the tank. 1ml per ten gallons dosed 3x times a week has never been shown to affect pods, benthic life or filter bacteria
I've read of people using 3 and 4mls per ten with faster kill and no collateral loss. I recommend 1:10 as a safe zone with decent efficacy.
How fast it works on the actual target ranges based on target...red brush algae might not be affected at all in this dilution...but bryopsis and gha and cyano and diatoms show excellent susceptibility to it in these doses after a while
The submerged spot treatment injects peroxide onto an underwater target just for that brief contact time, it kills targets faster than directly dosing a tank, systemic dosing.
Modes of application
External spot treatment, safe across all tanks as no peroxide gets back into tank
Remove target rock, apply to target only, wait two mins, rinse and reinstall
Target applications that wet benthic organisms such as pods and brittle stars that happen to be in the area may kill them. It won't affect the rest of the ones in the tank.
Whole rock/frag dip
For corals known tolerant, some people dip the whole frag/rock in a solution of half 3% peroxide half clean saltwater for a few mins, rinse, reinstall and this is very common
Emersed spot treatment, in tank: this begins methods that introduce peroxide into the tank. Its exclusively what I use and my videos show. Its popular because you leave things in place, you just drain water down to desired access level. Methods that input peroxide into tank assume you checked off your stocking list against a list of known sensitives. Most reef organisms are very tolerant of a little peroxide.
Whole tank dosing/1:10 dosing and submerged spot treatment are ran with a tank full of water. The easiest method involves the least work, its been used on giant tanks here, but contacts everything in the tank with peroxide so you have to be mindful of what's in the tank. 1ml per ten gallons dosed 3x times a week has never been shown to affect pods, benthic life or filter bacteria
I've read of people using 3 and 4mls per ten with faster kill and no collateral loss. I recommend 1:10 as a safe zone with decent efficacy.
How fast it works on the actual target ranges based on target...red brush algae might not be affected at all in this dilution...but bryopsis and gha and cyano and diatoms show excellent susceptibility to it in these doses after a while
The submerged spot treatment injects peroxide onto an underwater target just for that brief contact time, it kills targets faster than directly dosing a tank, systemic dosing.
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brandon429
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It is highly important to use a new/unopened bottle for all doses. Car racers don't use year old gasoline/fuel and neither should we. Once opened, peroxide begins a journey into liberating all its oxygen like a soda going flat, turns into distilled water
When treating tank inhabitants, don't expect any bubbling like we see on cuts. The bacterial complement of the treated substrate determines bubbling, but is affect on algae is the same regardless.
When treating tank inhabitants, don't expect any bubbling like we see on cuts. The bacterial complement of the treated substrate determines bubbling, but is affect on algae is the same regardless.
brandon429
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What can be treated successfully:
Every known non anemone reef pest. Aiptasia and majanos have shown resistance to it so for those I recommend other cures like fire burning which is what I did for ten years as a drain and treat before getting turned on to peroxide. I burned every known reef pest it was harmless...
List of known sensitives, indicates an extrernal treatment when possible:
1 bristleworms shoot out of the rock and die in any dilution amazingly...nobody cares lol
2 decorative macro
3 hosting/sensitive anemones like bta's for example
4 xenia usually stresses
5 coralline
6 I keep forgetting num 6 will have to reread lol
Every known non anemone reef pest. Aiptasia and majanos have shown resistance to it so for those I recommend other cures like fire burning which is what I did for ten years as a drain and treat before getting turned on to peroxide. I burned every known reef pest it was harmless...
List of known sensitives, indicates an extrernal treatment when possible:
1 bristleworms shoot out of the rock and die in any dilution amazingly...nobody cares lol
2 decorative macro
3 hosting/sensitive anemones like bta's for example
4 xenia usually stresses
5 coralline
6 I keep forgetting num 6 will have to reread lol
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