brandon429
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Can't wait to see your pics! Mpp they should be clean now if the bottle of peroxide is new and not months old (gets weaker)
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http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa157
This is a neat link to formal studies on 35% peroxide use in freshwater systems, its neat because it reflects on a few repeating patterns we see in these anecdotal reef peroxide threads:
-Again we have lists of sensitive vs tolerant species supported even if it is just for freshwater, any experiment involving peroxide begins to reveal unique tolerances that are strikingly consistent across treatments even with non exacting experiment controls (for example, coral banded shrimp across these reef tanks have never had a reported loss vs lysmata cleaners that show a dieoff in ~80% of treated tanks by any method-your cbs is safe, your skunk cleaner is not)
-a species of dinoflagellate is a known target in this study, we easily beat dinoflagellates in the reef tank with peroxide thats interesting albeit nonspecific
it was just nice to see any type of peer-reviewed work on peroxide fighting a dinoflagellate of any kind since we see the outcome and measure it in these threads
-its a commonly used aquaculture tool, as previously stated
-there is a legitimacy in working with this substance in our reef tanks regardless of negative assumptions. Peel the skin off the onion so to speak, the inner layers are more interesting not less. Something has to explain the pictures we've collected here, we're on to something. Justin Credabel was onto something when he made the general introduction in the reef builders thread.
I see these peroxide threads as tuning up for a potential game changer in reefkeeping. More links to come. Matt on 3reef.com algae forums just made a nice documentation thread for his run as well, check it out. The more info we collect and 'tune', the fewer pests we'll be losing tanks to
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This is a neat link to formal studies on 35% peroxide use in freshwater systems, its neat because it reflects on a few repeating patterns we see in these anecdotal reef peroxide threads:
-Again we have lists of sensitive vs tolerant species supported even if it is just for freshwater, any experiment involving peroxide begins to reveal unique tolerances that are strikingly consistent across treatments even with non exacting experiment controls (for example, coral banded shrimp across these reef tanks have never had a reported loss vs lysmata cleaners that show a dieoff in ~80% of treated tanks by any method-your cbs is safe, your skunk cleaner is not)
-a species of dinoflagellate is a known target in this study, we easily beat dinoflagellates in the reef tank with peroxide thats interesting albeit nonspecific
it was just nice to see any type of peer-reviewed work on peroxide fighting a dinoflagellate of any kind since we see the outcome and measure it in these threads
-its a commonly used aquaculture tool, as previously stated
-there is a legitimacy in working with this substance in our reef tanks regardless of negative assumptions. Peel the skin off the onion so to speak, the inner layers are more interesting not less. Something has to explain the pictures we've collected here, we're on to something. Justin Credabel was onto something when he made the general introduction in the reef builders thread.
I see these peroxide threads as tuning up for a potential game changer in reefkeeping. More links to come. Matt on 3reef.com algae forums just made a nice documentation thread for his run as well, check it out. The more info we collect and 'tune', the fewer pests we'll be losing tanks to
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brandon429
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http://www.masa.asn.au/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=212442
taken off this link above, more good info from last decade.
taken off this link above, more good info from last decade.
Ok.. Can this method help me? Tank is a month old, this rock came from another reefers sump.
I have this rock, it is pretty much the source of everything live in my tank with the exception of 2 gobies, 3 nassarius, 3 trochus, and 3 astrea snails.
It contains tube worms, feather dusters some pods, mushrooms, clove sand who knows how many kinds of algae and being the noob.. i don't know if the algae is good or bad, but from my research the green furry stuff isn't good...
How would I treat this rock doing the least damage to anything non-algae?
Here's some shots:
I have this rock, it is pretty much the source of everything live in my tank with the exception of 2 gobies, 3 nassarius, 3 trochus, and 3 astrea snails.
It contains tube worms, feather dusters some pods, mushrooms, clove sand who knows how many kinds of algae and being the noob.. i don't know if the algae is good or bad, but from my research the green furry stuff isn't good...
How would I treat this rock doing the least damage to anything non-algae?
Here's some shots:
brandon429
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Yep that'll do
You just lift out the rock, set on a towel beside the tank, and dribble peroxide from a new bottle on any areas you want clean, it won't harm anything else
Let sit for 2 or 3 mins w peroxide on target, rinse well w saltwater before placing back in tank
Post us follow up pics in two days
You just lift out the rock, set on a towel beside the tank, and dribble peroxide from a new bottle on any areas you want clean, it won't harm anything else
Let sit for 2 or 3 mins w peroxide on target, rinse well w saltwater before placing back in tank
Post us follow up pics in two days
Brandon I have watched these bug like pods moving around on this rock, as well as a lot of tubeworms, will doing as you describen not hurt them?
I have so many mushrooms not bothered if they are affected but the rest.. (non-algae critters)
think i am gonna do it and pluck some of those shrooms at the same time... (way more than i need)
I have so many mushrooms not bothered if they are affected but the rest.. (non-algae critters)
think i am gonna do it and pluck some of those shrooms at the same time... (way more than i need)
brandon429
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I have the same live rock x10 in my vase where I input 35% peroxide and you will be using 3%...the peroxide only gets applied to the algae, if there are a few non target collaterals in the algae matrix those might get zapped. You really have to base your decision on how bad you want the algae gone.
After treating my bowl for a year now I have every bit as many pods and worms as usual even if a few are lost I didn't notice.
After treating my bowl for a year now I have every bit as many pods and worms as usual even if a few are lost I didn't notice.
sjreefer
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<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/37325244@N05/6941145106/" title="Untitled by markmcg84, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7237/6941145106_cb9fc0f397_z.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="Untitled"></a>
Pretreatment shot - note this is a week after i scrubbed all my rock and it had grown that much!
Pretreatment shot - note this is a week after i scrubbed all my rock and it had grown that much!
brandon429
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That's a nice prep you will like how the bubbly finishes it off!
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I found a site advocating drinking it!!(heck no lol)
brandon429
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I bet by tomorrow it looks nice even if some of the power is lessened. If possible pick up a new bottle and treat once more ~ the rock will look brand new after a power double run
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Skurj did you run it?
NaClH2O Getaway
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Alright Brandon as promised I am getting ready to give this a shot. In all 20 pages I have not seen one person with Neomeris Annulata. So here I am playing the crash tester. My plan is a 2ml per gal outside the tank dip on one small rock. Once I see that it works I will do a tankwide dose since I absolutely CAN NOT get my rockscape back out of the tank. I have been dealing with this issue for over a year so any loss I may have will be lightened by actually having a chance to save anything at all including my love of this hobby.
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That's a heckuva challenge for the thread, thick bodied invader...it is susceptible I think someone on nr.com zapped a few fronds with it
I predict we will have to be patient with anything less than a direct spot or drained application, giving time to sink in, but i'm totally confident it will truly beat it with the right timing. I'm very happy to have a direct pictorial before/after of neomeris that's for sure.
excellent!
I wish I could find out if its legal to mail the stuff, id priority mail a small bottle of 18%~ custom mix to anyone with a special challenge just to keep these after pics going!
I predict we will have to be patient with anything less than a direct spot or drained application, giving time to sink in, but i'm totally confident it will truly beat it with the right timing. I'm very happy to have a direct pictorial before/after of neomeris that's for sure.
excellent!
I wish I could find out if its legal to mail the stuff, id priority mail a small bottle of 18%~ custom mix to anyone with a special challenge just to keep these after pics going!
adnup
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Ok I'm dealing with Bryopsis in a newly cycled tank. The rocks were soaked in muratic acid 6 months ago. Sand was rinsed and dried. The rocks are placed "perfectly" in the tank and stuck together with aquamend so I do not want to remove them. I have been dosing Tech M for a couple of weeks now with little change.
Btw it's a 120 with no fish or corals (all in a 40 breeder) only a couple of crabs and some nassarius and Cerith snails
I plan on doing the in tank 1ml per gallon. Question is how many days of dosing?
Btw it's a 120 with no fish or corals (all in a 40 breeder) only a couple of crabs and some nassarius and Cerith snails
I plan on doing the in tank 1ml per gallon. Question is how many days of dosing?
brandon429
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That's a 120 w nothing but rocks and sand? Perfect. I have something you might like, to heck with the 1:10 I think this will be faster if you'd like to consider it
Turn off all pumps and wait till currents have stopped
Find something that will inject peroxide underwater, a syringe w no needle is best if you can get one, our any target feeding device for reefing
Put the point right on the fuzzy rocks and inject across them, right into target underwater w pumps off
Just that fraction of contact time will speed this up much faster and the rest in solution is your dosing run for the day
Since you caught the tank before animals, you can input up to 2 or 3mls per ten gallons no prob, every other day until dead
Some of your nice purple coralline may bleach but it will come back
Make sure its a brand new bottle of peroxide not a used one
You might like to see a comparative tank to yours, reefmisers pics are the very first post on the nr thread and they are just like that! His was a weeks dieoff using the 1:10 every couple days I think it was, plus he had acan corals and fish:
Turn off all pumps and wait till currents have stopped
Find something that will inject peroxide underwater, a syringe w no needle is best if you can get one, our any target feeding device for reefing
Put the point right on the fuzzy rocks and inject across them, right into target underwater w pumps off
Just that fraction of contact time will speed this up much faster and the rest in solution is your dosing run for the day
Since you caught the tank before animals, you can input up to 2 or 3mls per ten gallons no prob, every other day until dead
Some of your nice purple coralline may bleach but it will come back
Make sure its a brand new bottle of peroxide not a used one
You might like to see a comparative tank to yours, reefmisers pics are the very first post on the nr thread and they are just like that! His was a weeks dieoff using the 1:10 every couple days I think it was, plus he had acan corals and fish:
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NaClH2O Getaway
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two nights no change. Pumping up the mag and we'll see where it goes
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