Please walk me through dipping with Bayer

[Coelli]

I picked up a couple of frags recently that have red bugs; I tried a 3x strength Revive dip and shaking the bugs off vigorously but of course that did not really work so I bought some Bayer. I'm very nervous about using it as I have a ton of inverts I'm very fond of.

Can someone give me a walkthrough on the dip & especially rinsing process? How many times to rinse, etc? I have an army of Red Solo cup soldiers standing by ready to sacrifice themselves for the cause.

 

[C.Eymann]

I picked up a couple of frags recently that have red bugs; I tried a 3x strength Revive dip and shaking the bugs off vigorously but of course that did not really work so I bought some Bayer. I'm very nervous about using it as I have a ton of inverts I'm very fond of.

Can someone give me a walkthrough on the dip & especially rinsing process? How many times to rinse, etc? I have an army of Red Solo cup soldiers standing by ready to sacrifice themselves for the cause.

Why wouldn't you just use an ineceptor bath??? If you have a dog just request it from your vet, if your vet doesn't carry inceptor ask them to prescribe it and order it through 1800petmeds.

If you don't have a dog, print out literature on the use of ineceptor for treating red bugs, go to a vet that carries ineceptor and beg, it might take going to a few different vets before you find one that is " cool with it" and they will prescribe it for you.

 

[ros_sco]

Bayer is is what I use. I use 5ml in 500ml tank water. Some use 10ml/500 ml. I leave the coral in the dip for at least 30 minutes. I personally have not lost a coral due to this dip. That's the amount of time that makes me sure that any pests are dead. Most of the time they will detach sooner than that. But a shorter dip that stuns but maybe doesn't kill - the pest can recover and if it didn't detach or was caught in the slime coat or a nook or cranny somewhere you have a viable pest.

As far as rinsing, I just swish the frag in a cup of fresh tank water. You can set up a couple cups and do a double rinse if you want.

 

[Coelli]

Bayer is is what I use. I use 5ml in 500ml tank water. Some use 10ml/500 ml. I leave the coral in the dip for at least 30 minutes. I personally have not lost a coral due to this dip. That's the amount of time that makes me sure that any pests are dead. Most of the time they will detach sooner than that. But a shorter dip that stuns but maybe doesn't kill - the pest can recover and if it didn't detach or was caught in the slime coat or a nook or cranny somewhere you have a viable pest.

As far as rinsing, I just swish the frag in a cup of fresh tank water. You can set up a couple cups and do a double rinse if you want.

Thanks, that's helpful. I have 2 pom pom crabs, several sexy shrimp, a pair of porcelain crabs, 3 acro crabs, a pistol shrimp, etc. so I'm really worried about killing them. :|

 

[reefmutt]

Bayer is is what I use. I use 5ml in 500ml tank water. Some use 10ml/500 ml. I leave the coral in the dip for at least 30 minutes. I personally have not lost a coral due to this dip. That's the amount of time that makes me sure that any pests are dead. Most of the time they will detach sooner than that. But a shorter dip that stuns but maybe doesn't kill - the pest can recover and if it didn't detach or was caught in the slime coat or a nook or cranny somewhere you have a viable pest.

As far as rinsing, I just swish the frag in a cup of fresh tank water. You can set up a couple cups and do a double rinse if you want.

Yup.. this is right on.. Although, for flatworms, 5 minutes is long enough to stun them and a good shake will knock them off.. i find that bayer doesn't actually kill aefws, it just really stuns them..
Red bugs really need 30 minutes so that the bayer can soak into the coral flesh and get the buggers where they are hiding!
I find that the corals that get a long soak tend to brown out more but they come back just as healthy..

 

[thax]

Bayer is the only thing I have not lost any coral to, they dobt slime up colswr up or even act like they care and the amount of stuff that comes off them vs other dips is amazing it does make the water a litle milky but it works.

I ues 10ml to for infested coral and 5/500ml for every new one then in to my qt tank.

After the dip get a clean cup and rinse them good and if your paranoid put the coral in another clean cup of tank water and any dip that might be left would be so diluted when it gets in your tank it won't hurt anything

Also if you can get bucket or something you can put a powerhead in for the diping part it works even better then just dip in a cup

 

[swk]

I have lots of inverts as well and haven't ever had a problem. I use 10ml per cup of tank water and give a quick rinse. The peppermints are on the new frags immediately and never an issue.

 

[Coelli]

Do you dip and keep the original frag plugs or cut the frag off and use a new plug? Wondering if the plugs will rinse or not rinse very well. I hate to cut off encrusted frags but you do what you gotta do.

Thanks for all the advice so far!

 

[thax]

I only cut off plugs if they have eggs on them or lots of algae on them or a crap plug.

Your over thinking it any dip that might be left will be so diluted it won't hurt any thing

 

[droth335]

Here is a good read and how to on dipping with Bayer: http://www.*********.com/threads/bayer-insecticide-as-a-coral-dip.100496/

Ok, I guess you have to replace the * with reef two reef above for that url to work.

 

[Myka]

I have been using 5 mL per cup (250 mL) of tank water for 10 minutes, and recently stepped it up to 10 mL per cup for 10 minutes, and I lost a lot of frags from that batch. I'm not 100% it was the Bayer, but now I'm a bit nervous to try that strength again.

After the Bayer, I rinse in a little tub of tank water, clip them off the plugs, re-glue them onto new plugs, and then I put them into a 5-gallon tank (just has heater and small pwoerhead) overnight with some carbon pellets on the bottom. The carbon soaks up any residue.

The reason I replace the plugs after the dip is because many bugs will hide on the plugs and I want to see them in the dip if they're on there.

 

[Pife]

I use 20ml per 250ml of water for 10 minutes with two rinses.

 

[karimwassef]

I use 10ml per 120ml for 15mins with two rinses and into a quarantine tank to settle before returning to the DT. It's aggressive, but no corals have died except those that were almost dead to begin with going in.

 

[Coelli]

Thank you all so much for the advice. I have been putting this off (risking the few other smooth-skinned corals I have) but will do a water change tomorrow and make several rinse containers with the old water and then go for it. You've definitely made me feel better about it (I guess I read too many stories of inverts and pods being wiped out - I have a mandarin so pods were another worry!).

 

[karimwassef]

I hear you. The thought of putting an insecticide laden rock into my DT made me shudder...

That's why I set up a quarantine tank... If the coral's polyps opened up, I'd feel good about putting it back in the DT.

Also, between dip, rinse and rinse, I'd literally shake it in the rinse water and then shake it out of the water to remove any liquid...

I only do this with frags. Full colonies don't have the healing kick of frags.

 

[gus6464]

I don't even measure my bayer. I just put some water in a cup and then dump some bayer straight from the container. Swirl it around and then put the frag in for 15 mins. Then on the rinsing cup I put in 2 drops of lugols iodine. Haven't lost an sps yet.

 

[ajcanale]

Why wouldn't you just use an ineceptor bath??? If you have a dog just request it from your vet, if your vet doesn't carry inceptor ask them to prescribe it and order it through 1800petmeds.

If you don't have a dog, print out literature on the use of ineceptor for treating red bugs, go to a vet that carries ineceptor and beg, it might take going to a few different vets before you find one that is " cool with it" and they will prescribe it for you.

This question makes no sense. Why would someone go to the trouble of getting a veterinary prescription for a more expensive product which is less effective and proven for dipping? Bayer insecticide is cheaper, MUCH easier to obtain, and is certainly a more effective dip. We aren't talking tank treatment.

Just wanted to point that out. Carry on.

 

[COENONE]

I didn't want to dip at first but I bite the bullet and did it my first time dipping with bayer a sure enough a aefw was found and trust me I know what they look like cause I had the before in a different system . And I always cut off the frag plugs

 

[Big E]

Bayer is is what I use. I use 5ml in 500ml tank water. Some use 10ml/500 ml. I leave the coral in the dip for at least 30 minutes. I personally have not lost a coral due to this dip. That's the amount of time that makes me sure that any pests are dead. Most of the time they will detach sooner than that. But a shorter dip that stuns but maybe doesn't kill - the pest can recover and if it didn't detach or was caught in the slime coat or a nook or cranny somewhere you have a viable pest.

As far as rinsing, I just swish the frag in a cup of fresh tank water. You can set up a couple cups and do a double rinse if you want.

Do you concern yourself with the dip water dropping in temp?

I do 10ml in a cup for 10 min, but I'm interested in trying a lower dose and longer duration.

 

[karimwassef]

I physically swish and shake my corals in the dip. It's a violent affair.

I was worried that the flesh may slough off like with some dips and even some freshwater dips on some corals, but I was desperate.

My experience with Bayer is that the SPS really pull they polyps in and deflate their flesh. I also shake them dry before and after. This does wash off the protective mucus but also kills almost everything that isn't a polyp.

I dip for 15mins.

So far, no corals have died except those that were almost dead going into the process.