Pooky's 300

[clownnrnd]

WOW, did'nt realize you were having problems as well Alicia. Sorry to hear you both are having problems.

Kenny maybe it is a chemical reaction to that chalice in the top pic above?? Go ahead and send it to me and see if things get any better JK

Seriously though..... I wonder if there be a chemical battle going on? Just does'nt make sense that everyone can bang their heads looking at test kits and everything be OK but it is all showing distress.

Chad

 

[pookstreet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15103126#post15103126 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by slojmn
Kenny,
so sorry to hear of the carnage. I know we talked about it a while back and your story is a replica of mine. How long has this been going on? I've been dealing with STN total carnage of only my acroporas since December. I have not wanted to compile a list because it would just bum me out even more. It is slow and thorough...whatever is happening in my tank. I only have two unaffected acroporas at this moment. LPS and montis are good for the most part. My montis have always been up and down in my tank for 5 years so when they start to look funky I know it is the same old something that I have never been able to figure out. This acropora demise is something very different. I am breaking down my tank and setting up a new one...not sure what to do with the acros...maybe try one or two healthy portions of what I have left when the new tank is set up and see how they do. I have the luxury of setting the tanks side by side for a period of time. Maybe just toss it all and start fresh.

Kenny, What would you do, toss all and start fresh or try and take healthy portions only and see if they take off in the new tank??

Alicia, it's sad that no matter the causes, we all end up with the same results at the end. I can't recall exactly but I think my problems started in January with only the Cali tort being affected. After some heavy pruning, it went away for a few months, then came back with a vengeance. What happened in January seems to be different than what's happening now. Back then, the tissue was actually sloughing off like a light brown slime. This time around, it's just your classic STN/RTN. It's mostly STN but a few, such as the Lime in the Sky, went away in less than 24 hours.

This week will be the week to see what's going to happen to all of my Acros. I've pulled out all that's affected so far and did some massive water changes. If I come back from my business trip to any more white sticks, I may have to consider something much more drastic.

As for your remaining Acros, what you do with them will depend on a few things since you do have the opportunity to keep them while the new tank is getting ready. If you haven't thought about it already, I would considering NOT transferring any of the rocks/subsrate from you old system into the new, at least not without some kind of treatment. I would hate to see some kind of bug/pathogen that's confined to your current tank make it into the new one. If the remaining Acros are easily replaced and fast growers, I would say start fresh. But if they are hard to acquire, slow growing, or otherwise have some reason for you to keep at least a portion or all of it, I would put them through as many different treatments/dips as possible. Also, during that process, keep them in a separate QT tank if you can. I know it sounds like a lot of work but some are worth it.

 

[pookstreet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15104070#post15104070 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clownnrnd
WOW, did'nt realize you were having problems as well Alicia. Sorry to hear you both are having problems.

Kenny maybe it is a chemical reaction to that chalice in the top pic above?? Go ahead and send it to me and see if things get any better JK

Seriously though..... I wonder if there be a chemical battle going on? Just does'nt make sense that everyone can bang their heads looking at test kits and everything be OK but it is all showing distress.

Chad

Chad, all joking aside, I actually have given that angle much thought. In my mind, it's not so much a chemical battle but perhaps the LPS releasing some kind of irritant/toxin in response to being fragged. I've always had LPS in the tank so normal interaction shouldn't be an issue. I haven't cut the LPS any more than usual, but perhaps whatever is being released built up over time and finally reached the threshold for the Acros. Part of the problem may have been that I've always had pretty good success with minimal water changes. And in the past, the freshly made frags only get a simple dip. I will put them through several buckets of dips/fresh tank water before they are reintroduced back into the tank from now on.

 

[clownnrnd]

I agree 100% Kenny. It is very tough to keep your head up when we all spend as much time/money/ passion as we do for this hobby then have something come along and take away our prized possesions and not have aclue as to what just happened.

Like you say GT>Dip then we will probably QT>Dip somemore then just when we think we have done enough do one or two more just to be safe .

It's a funny thing...you (all of us) don't know if it was something that we just introduced or if it is something that has been building in our systems over time and it is just manifesting itself

Maybe we all need commercial sized UV sterilizers like our asian friends w/ the priceless fish collections???? What would it do long term to corals?

Chad

 

[slojmn]

Kenny,
You make some really good points. So far the TMPCC dip does not seem to do much of anything, maybe slow the necrosis but, as you noted, in the ned they die anyways. I am planning on adding all new substrate and new marco rock I got last week. There are a few rocks that have encrusted montis on them that I might like to keep. I will have to re-think that if I am really going to "start fresh" I don't know about a quarantine tank, no where to put it. That is why I thinking of starting fresh. There really is only one or two acros I would like to transfer, whether they will be safe when the time comes remains to be seen. I actually have 3 unaffected acros at this point and they look pretty good, growing and thriving. It is very strange all the way around.

Kenny, Good Luck with your sticks, I'll be interested to see how they do during your business trip and what those drastic actions may be.

 

[pookstreet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15116781#post15116781 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clownnrnd
I agree 100% Kenny. It is very tough to keep your head up when we all spend as much time/money/ passion as we do for this hobby then have something come along and take away our prized possesions and not have aclue as to what just happened.

Like you say GT>Dip then we will probably QT>Dip somemore then just when we think we have done enough do one or two more just to be safe .

It's a funny thing...you (all of us) don't know if it was something that we just introduced or if it is something that has been building in our systems over time and it is just manifesting itself

Maybe we all need commercial sized UV sterilizers like our asian friends w/ the priceless fish collections???? What would it do long term to corals?

Chad

Chad, I wished someone had all the answers. I sure don't Perhaps part of the being in this hobby is to surround yourself with knowledgeable friends. Hopefully, one of them will point out something that you hadn't thought of.

 

[pookstreet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15148886#post15148886 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by slojmn
Kenny,
You make some really good points. So far the TMPCC dip does not seem to do much of anything, maybe slow the necrosis but, as you noted, in the ned they die anyways. I am planning on adding all new substrate and new marco rock I got last week. There are a few rocks that have encrusted montis on them that I might like to keep. I will have to re-think that if I am really going to "start fresh" I don't know about a quarantine tank, no where to put it. That is why I thinking of starting fresh. There really is only one or two acros I would like to transfer, whether they will be safe when the time comes remains to be seen. I actually have 3 unaffected acros at this point and they look pretty good, growing and thriving. It is very strange all the way around.

Kenny, Good Luck with your sticks, I'll be interested to see how they do during your business trip and what those drastic actions may be.

Alicia, hope that whatever you have left stay healthy. Perhaps whatever the culprit was may be gone from your system. It's always a good sign if tissue necrosis has stopped and the remaining corals stay healthy for an extended period of time.

Unfortunately, things haven't stopped on my end. Came back to a small branch that had died, but could be due to too much flow being directed at it. But then, 2 days later, couple of small pieces were lost to RTN and branches on a couple of 7"+ colonies also RTN'ed. As you said, it's very strange all the way around.

 

[pookstreet]

My fish really crack me up. When I approach the tank at night to feed them, 9 times out of 10, couple of the tangs would let loose, especially the big PBT :lol: I guess they figured better to empty their bowels before feeding. There would be clouds of poop and then the food hits the water. Man, I would hate to have to eat under those circumstances :lmao: I hope no one is having a late dinner.


Finally got the kalk reactor replaced. The MRC motor died about a month ago and got a GEO to replace it. Never got around to it until this weekend. The GEO is sweet.


I am considering adding another light to the tank to make it a total of 4 250's. I just have to figure out how to hand the extra pendant since my light rack is only made to hold 3.

 

[SaraB]

My big Naso gets ready for the next meal the same way!

 

[pookstreet]

I wonder what the other fish really think of it. Although the corals must be having a field day

 

[PnoyReefeR]

Hope the tank is on the rebound now kenny.. glad your still having fun ...

 

[spleen93]

Funny, my MRC kalk reactor just died too. Might need to replace with a GEO as well. Or maybe I'll replace it with a non stirring MRC kalk reactor.

 

[pookstreet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15198899#post15198899 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PnoyReefeR
Hope the tank is on the rebound now kenny.. glad your still having fun ...

Unfortunately, not yet on the rebound. Still having issues with Acros. It's a slippery slope. Every time I think the tank has turned the corner, something else dies to bring me back down to earth. But like you said, I am still having fun b/c of my friends

 

[pookstreet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15201134#post15201134 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by spleen93
Funny, my MRC kalk reactor just died too. Might need to replace with a GEO as well. Or maybe I'll replace it with a non stirring MRC kalk reactor.

So far, I think the GEO is much better. If the pump goes, you can just get another one. The one feature I really like about it is the port at the top where you can refill the kalk without having to take the entire lid off. I'll see if I can snap a few pix of it in action.

 

[Ian]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15203584#post15203584 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pookstreet
Unfortunately, not yet on the rebound. Still having issues with Acros. It's a slippery slope. Every time I think the tank has turned the corner, something else dies to bring me back down to earth. But like you said, I am still having fun b/c of my friends

I know exactly how you feel Kenny... on both counts

 

[PnoyReefeR]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15203584#post15203584 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pookstreet
Unfortunately, not yet on the rebound. Still having issues with Acros. It's a slippery slope. Every time I think the tank has turned the corner, something else dies to bring me back down to earth. But like you said, I am still having fun b/c of my friends

Well hang in there and try to not think about it .. Like you said Friends will be there to replace your SPS... Enjoy the fish and LPS for now

 

[DanW]

Kenny,

I know that you will figure this out and beat it or perhaps it will mysteriously disappear just like it mysteriously appeared. When it’s gone and you feel comfortable, make the 45 minute drive down and bring the laser pointer. I’ll cut whatever you want (assuming that there is something you want) to get you jump started. Hang in there man, it’s all part of the journey!

Dan

 

[mpoletti]

Kenny- Have you ever thought about pulling out the substrate?

 

[pookstreet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15204438#post15204438 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ian
I know exactly how you feel Kenny... on both counts

I think you are having way too much fun

 

[pookstreet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15204636#post15204636 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PnoyReefeR
Well hang in there and try to not think about it .. Like you said Friends will be there to replace your SPS... Enjoy the fish and LPS for now

Thanks P3noY! I am enjoying the tank even with the current problems. In fact, I am looking to add a number of fish, as soon as I get my hands on some nice and healthy specimen Who knows, one day, this tank may become just a FOWLER :mixed: