Protocol for using antibiotics to treat infected anemones ~Added to 7/30/14
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this is me
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Does anyone actually check this thread? lol
ir_danno22
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Interesting read knowing Cipro kills off a wide range of good and bad bacteria.
Sorry for the autocorrect meant to say the nems liking not news.
OrionN
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Antibiotic in the tank is bad. Because of this, they should be treat in the Bare treatment tank.
OrionN
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The last two anemones I treated did not response well to Cipro. They continue to deflates for 3 days after on Cipro so I switch antibiotic.
I used co-trimazole (brand name Bactrum DS or Septra DS), each containing 800 mg sulfamethoxazole and 160 mg trimethoprim, to treat them.
Web search indicated that these medication also break down in the environment by photo-degradation. There is a Master Thesis at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, that look into degradation of various antibiotics in the environment.
In human, Septra DS excreted unchanged in the urine and goes down the sewage system. Dose in human is 1 tablet twice a day.
The regiment I used is 1 Septra DS for 10 gal of water. 100% water change every night as the light turn out. One week of treatment. The anemones did not deflate at all after the first day of switching antibiotic. I watch them for 3 days after I discontinue the antibiotic without problem. I put them back in the DT system last night.
I used co-trimazole (brand name Bactrum DS or Septra DS), each containing 800 mg sulfamethoxazole and 160 mg trimethoprim, to treat them.
Web search indicated that these medication also break down in the environment by photo-degradation. There is a Master Thesis at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, that look into degradation of various antibiotics in the environment.
In human, Septra DS excreted unchanged in the urine and goes down the sewage system. Dose in human is 1 tablet twice a day.
The regiment I used is 1 Septra DS for 10 gal of water. 100% water change every night as the light turn out. One week of treatment. The anemones did not deflate at all after the first day of switching antibiotic. I watch them for 3 days after I discontinue the antibiotic without problem. I put them back in the DT system last night.
rayn
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I picked up a haddoni almost a week ago. Wondering what determines or justifies treating with cipro? Is it the mouth gaping, not attaching, constant deflating and reflating, combination? Read through the thread and didn't really see a answer other then don't treat just to treat at one point.
OrionN
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I would encourage treatment if the anemone is sick
What constitute a sick anemone is your question. A veteran anemone keeper will know when an anemone is sick. This is variable and different for each species. If you don't know, your best bet is taken picture when he is at his worst and at his best. Post online and ask for advises.
There is not one or two or three thinks that would point out a sick anemone. However, repeat deflation is universally regard as sign of a sick anemone.
What constitute a sick anemone is your question. A veteran anemone keeper will know when an anemone is sick. This is variable and different for each species. If you don't know, your best bet is taken picture when he is at his worst and at his best. Post online and ask for advises.
There is not one or two or three thinks that would point out a sick anemone. However, repeat deflation is universally regard as sign of a sick anemone.
rayn
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Thanks.
Mine attached within hours of going in the tank. It has yet to deflate, I believe that is a good sign. The mouth is open on occasion, but not by much. I don't think you could even fit a dime in there. So I presume that is good. The biggest issue I see so far is light. When they are off it is full with tentacles out. Lights come on and it kinda shrinks up as if trying to get away. They are led turned down as much as possible and three layers of egg crate to protect.
I had originally planned to great with cipro, but now I am second guessing the need to with this one.
Mine attached within hours of going in the tank. It has yet to deflate, I believe that is a good sign. The mouth is open on occasion, but not by much. I don't think you could even fit a dime in there. So I presume that is good. The biggest issue I see so far is light. When they are off it is full with tentacles out. Lights come on and it kinda shrinks up as if trying to get away. They are led turned down as much as possible and three layers of egg crate to protect.
I had originally planned to great with cipro, but now I am second guessing the need to with this one.
Mine also started off well so I put off ordering the cipro. Almost a week later it started to deflate and now I wish I had the cipro right away. Now I have the anemone in a treatment tank and have to wait until tomorrow for the cipro to arrive. My advice would be just to have it handy in case you ever need it.
Chrisq0904
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I agree with you on this. I almost was in the same situation but I was able to get some cipro from a local reefer. I ordered fish flox for when I ran out but what I got before seems to be enough. But I now have a full bottle in case this ever happens again.
Bactrim DS is also a pretty inexpensive antibiotic with better coverage then Cipro. I'm glad to see that someone has already tried it out. I'm picking up a H. Mag today and I plan on putting a quarter tablet of Bactrim right in the bag before I bring it home. I'll then acclimate it to my DT and place it in. If it starts going down hill after this, then I'll pull it back out, place in QT and begin medicating it. Wish me luck!
OrionN
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If you look at the spectrum of activity, Cipro is better at taken care of water related infections in HUMAN. In anemones who know. I just choose Cipro becasue it is effective in human for water related infection, cheap and easy to get. Septra DS is OK but not as broad spectrum.
I used it before also and it seem effective the one time I used it. I added 1 Septra DS for 10 gal of water and change 100% of the water each day. Septra did not disolves as easy as Cipro in salt water. I got clumps in the water for 4 hrs after trying to disolves it in the QT. By the next morning everything have disolved.
I used it before also and it seem effective the one time I used it. I added 1 Septra DS for 10 gal of water and change 100% of the water each day. Septra did not disolves as easy as Cipro in salt water. I got clumps in the water for 4 hrs after trying to disolves it in the QT. By the next morning everything have disolved.
I am currently treating a large S. gignatea with cipro. I am on the 5th day of treatment. The anemone hasn't deflated in 3 days, and the amount of black pellets being released has diminished significantly. However there is still some black pellets being released. Should I continue treatment until the pellets stop, or do you think I am OK to cease treatment and return to the DT? Are the pellets just dead symbiotic bacteria, or something else do you think?
It won't matter what species it's in. Assuming that the medication can get into the tissues it will kill the organisms that it is designed to kill. Cipro can kill lots of organisms, but they're mostly in one family (Gram -). Bactrim can't kill as many Gram - species as Cipro, but it has greater Gram + killing potential. I will admit though, when you look at what's species are Gram -, they're the kind that you'd expect to find in water (proteus etc); so Cipro more then likely is more effective for saltwater bacteria types
OrionN
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Microorganisms that infect one species or related group of species often do not infect animals of another species. What infect human does not necessary infect anemone.<O</O
For example, bird flu does not normally infect human but can wipe out a bird population. When through mutation it jumps to infect human, it can be very virulent because human never been exposed to similar virus before.<O</O
Waterborne infections in humans are mostly gram negative bacterial.<O</O<O</O
</OFor example, bird flu does not normally infect human but can wipe out a bird population. When through mutation it jumps to infect human, it can be very virulent because human never been exposed to similar virus before.<O
</OWaterborne infections in humans are mostly gram negative bacterial.<O
</O<O</OMicroorganisms that infect one species or related group of species often do not infect animals of another species. What infect human does not necessary infect anemone.<O
For example, bird flu does not normally infect human but can wipe out a bird population. When through mutation it jumps to infect human, it can be very virulent because human never been exposed to similar virus before.<O
Waterborne infections in humans are mostly gram negative bacterial.<O
I'm not talking about what infects humans and what infects other creatures, I'm merely stating which antibiotics kills which organisms. It's obvious that certain bacteria infect certain creatures; whether it's human/anemone or not, has nothing to do with it. Certain antibiotics kill certain bacteria; since no one on this forum has cultured these bacterial strains, it's wise to use broad spectrum antibiotics. Broad spectrum means that it kills multiple different strains of bacteria in different species groups, ie, gram -, gram +, aerobic, anaerobic, etc.
