Protocol for using antibiotics to treat infected anemones ~Added to 7/30/14
- Thread starter OrionN
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Yup, I agree. That's why Cipro is such a good choice.
KindCorals
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Do you think this might work for treating infected ricordea yumas? Everyone seems to think its a bacterial infection when yuma (especially pink yumas like mine) start with brown jelly, get a hole near the mouth and melt away. It went from 2 pinks to a green and now another green yuma. I might try cipro since these are anemone corals.
It should not be a problem. Infection is infection. Organisms are not selective for which they infect.
Bacteria gets a foothold in traumatic wounds and stressful conditions just like people.
Cipro is better then E-mycin because it has a broader spectrum of coverage.
You could also use Bactrim (would need ot treat in the nighttime cycle due ot light degradation)
In a perfect world, dripping vancomycin would be THE definitive drug of choice for any anemone/invert but its not available outside of the hospital and requires dripping and maintenance of peaks and troughs.
Cipro is really the easist to use.
Bacteria gets a foothold in traumatic wounds and stressful conditions just like people.
Cipro is better then E-mycin because it has a broader spectrum of coverage.
You could also use Bactrim (would need ot treat in the nighttime cycle due ot light degradation)
In a perfect world, dripping vancomycin would be THE definitive drug of choice for any anemone/invert but its not available outside of the hospital and requires dripping and maintenance of peaks and troughs.
Cipro is really the easist to use.
I sincerely hope that you are joking:sad2: I am sorry, but no reef creature is worth utilizing the LAST LINE of defense that humans have against life threatening infections. I am thankful vancamycin is protected from reckless prescription. Hopefully no reef addicts try and grab some on the black market....:jester:
OrionN
Moved on
Just get a needle and stick it in there. Now tape the IV to keep it on the anemone can be a problem, but we fight that battle when we get to it.
Seriously. Vancomycin is only effective again gram possitive organism and would not be an ideal antibiotic use to treat anemone infection unless I completly miss the boat. It have very narow spectrum of activity and very good for certain infection but hardly the last line of defense for human.
OrionN
Moved on
Just for kick, Vancomycing is very expensive, even generic. It hav ebeen out since the 1950's
Pricing: U.S. Dose abour 500-1000 mg per day
Capsules (Vancocin HCl Oral)
125 mg (1): $34.82
250 mg (1): $64.20
Capsules (Vancomycin HCl Oral)
125 mg (20): $626.12
250 mg (20): $1154.32
Pricing: U.S. Dose abour 500-1000 mg per day
Capsules (Vancocin HCl Oral)
125 mg (1): $34.82
250 mg (1): $64.20
Capsules (Vancomycin HCl Oral)
125 mg (20): $626.12
250 mg (20): $1154.32
Perhaps I am misguided. What is considered the last line of defense against MDR infections then?
OrionN
Moved on
Depends on the infections. We culture them out and then use antibiotic that it is sensitive to. There are enterococcus strains (one of the Gram possitive cocci) that is resistant even to Vacomycin. There are a few newer medication we can use but all we can do is isolate Pt treat them with what we can and hope for the best.
Often highly resistant oragnisms spend a lot of their energy maintian the resitant (they have to produce a lot of factors that keep them drug registant) and not really invasive other than for weaken pt with weaken immune system. Here is a reasonable article regarding Vancomycin Registant Entercoccus (VRE)
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/vancomycin-resistant-enterococci-vre-overview
Often highly resistant oragnisms spend a lot of their energy maintian the resitant (they have to produce a lot of factors that keep them drug registant) and not really invasive other than for weaken pt with weaken immune system. Here is a reasonable article regarding Vancomycin Registant Entercoccus (VRE)
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/vancomycin-resistant-enterococci-vre-overview
OrionN is correct, Vanc is hardly last defense and there are way better abx out there right now depending on what's cultured. Vanc is just cheap and easy and works pretty good for MRSA etc.
However, I think we should get back on track with this topic and begin discussing medications for water-born bacteria that can infect anemones. (I know I contributed to the foolishness too
However, I think we should get back on track with this topic and begin discussing medications for water-born bacteria that can infect anemones. (I know I contributed to the foolishness too
OrionN is correct, Vanc is hardly last defense and there are way better abx out there right now depending on what's cultured. Vanc is just cheap and easy and works pretty good for MRSA etc.
However, I think we should get back on track with this topic and begin discussing medications for water-born bacteria that can infect anemones. (I know I contributed to the foolishness too
Thanks for the clarification. I am not an M.D., so i need some education sometimes. But there is certainly some merit to my stance on vanc, as evidenced by the guidlines for its use set forth by the CDC:
http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/prevguid/m0039349/m0039349.asp
As part of the discussion, it would be interesting to see what antibacterial treatments others have tried. So far I only have only heard of cipro and spectrum ds.
Hello all.
Speaking of getting back on track with the disscussion of medications for water born bacteria. I did a post about a week ago with different meds and possible dossages. And i do believe that because of my post count, little info was offered.If we want people to try different meds then lets offer a little help. FYI I lost all my password stuff and or for got, and have been on here under diff names. Been in salt since FFEand stocked my 1st tank with them.
peaceout
John
Speaking of getting back on track with the disscussion of medications for water born bacteria. I did a post about a week ago with different meds and possible dossages. And i do believe that because of my post count, little info was offered.If we want people to try different meds then lets offer a little help. FYI I lost all my password stuff and or for got, and have been on here under diff names. Been in salt since FFEand stocked my 1st tank with them.
peaceout
John
OrionN
Moved on
I am not sure if MachPilot is serious so this may not be needed. While Vancomycin is not the last line of defense for human it is a very important antibiotic. However I do not think that it is an appropriate antibiotic for anemone or fish infection since it only effective against gram positive organism.
Hospitals all have appropriate protocol to ensure it's use is appropriate. I think using IV vancomycin for fish tank is consider very inappropriate. In addition getting IV vancomycin cannot be easy. IMO it also have a wrong spectrum of activity for our need
Hospitals all have appropriate protocol to ensure it's use is appropriate. I think using IV vancomycin for fish tank is consider very inappropriate. In addition getting IV vancomycin cannot be easy. IMO it also have a wrong spectrum of activity for our need
Reefahholic
New member
Vancomycin is the wrong antibiotic for anemones. There are much more affective antibiotics that will work a lot better.
Amoo
Member
Maybe I'm confused here, but why would one need to inject the Nem with Vanomycin? If I have my understanding correct, our nems internals are filled with whatever we fill the water column with. They don't have kidneys to dispel the medication like humans do, so I would think it would be just as effective in the water column, with far less stress to the nem, then trying to IV a nem. If this works with Cipro, why wouldn't it work with Vanco?
M Woodhill
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Nope. I tried on my ritteri and basically saw no improvement
