Re: Nitra-Guard Bio-cubes from Orca Labs promises denitrification free of Redfield's

dallasg said:
Hi All,

there are 2 versions, Nitra Guard biocubes and Nitra Guard Biocubes Titanium, now there is no titanium, its just a name.
there difference is the normal cubes remove N and P and the titanium remove N without relying on P, when back from vacation i will get more technical info

happy new year to all
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Hmm, but the guy who developed this product is quoted in one of the first posts in this thread as follows: "What I have done there is I used a nano particulated substrate that is titanium based. The yeast are able to take the titanium into the cells and they basically become "Cyborg" yeast. Half living biological organism and half synthetic nano particulated inert metal."

So it sounds like the titanium is not just a name, but intended to be an inegral part of the product?
 
Never heard of retired unproducive senior citizen bacteria either. Gibberish. Ther are better sci fi stories on tv.
 
Titanium

Titanium

Hi i have been using the standard bio-Cubes in the UK now for over 12 months and will not use anything else and i have just been informed the new titanium cubes are here now also. Which i need for a reef tank i have with extremely low PO4 levels.

I have had a few email discussions with the UK distributors and also with the manufacturer in South Africa. Everyone has opened my eyes to a whole wicked world of products out there.

I noticed on here that people were wanting explanations on the complete make up of the product and how it works. Which manufacturer and distributor found quite amusing as they said do you know how your TV works and what is in it and why?
must say i agree the only time i struggled was when i used the product how it was not meant to be used. In the sump with an airstone in the bag with a decent flow across the bag took NO3 levels from 60 ppm to 5 ppm in 14 days.
In my other tnak with same setup but reactor used with Rowaphos i got no joy for 14 days so contacted the suppliers they said stop the reactor and watch. After 10 days NO3 was down to 10ppm but PO4 was high now so started the reactor and brought the PO4 down then stopped the reactor again now levels came down to 5ppm and it has remained there for 5 weeks now and the levels are 0.02 PO4 and 5ppm NO3 the manufacturer said just to keep monitoring and only start the reactor if the PO4 rise again and add cubes if the NO3 starts to rise. He called it nutrient fixing.
I had tried loads of products before and given up on all of them. So i dont need to know what or how it works just that it does and corals and fish are happy but SO AM I.
 
regalmanic said:
Hi i have been using the standard bio-Cubes in the UK now for over 12 months and will not use anything else and i have just been informed the new titanium cubes are here now also. Which i need for a reef tank i have with extremely low PO4 levels.

I have had a few email discussions with the UK distributors and also with the manufacturer in South Africa. Everyone has opened my eyes to a whole wicked world of products out there.

I noticed on here that people were wanting explanations on the complete make up of the product and how it works. Which manufacturer and distributor found quite amusing as they said do you know how your TV works and what is in it and why?
must say i agree the only time i struggled was when i used the product how it was not meant to be used. In the sump with an airstone in the bag with a decent flow across the bag took NO3 levels from 60 ppm to 5 ppm in 14 days.
In my other tnak with same setup but reactor used with Rowaphos i got no joy for 14 days so contacted the suppliers they said stop the reactor and watch. After 10 days NO3 was down to 10ppm but PO4 was high now so started the reactor and brought the PO4 down then stopped the reactor again now levels came down to 5ppm and it has remained there for 5 weeks now and the levels are 0.02 PO4 and 5ppm NO3 the manufacturer said just to keep monitoring and only start the reactor if the PO4 rise again and add cubes if the NO3 starts to rise. He called it nutrient fixing.
I had tried loads of products before and given up on all of them. So i dont need to know what or how it works just that it does and corals and fish are happy but SO AM I.
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Funny how your first post is this:) seems a little fishy (no pun intended)

I think the reason people want to know what's in them and how they work is because we are dealing with living organisms that we have interest in keeping them healthy and at there best. Not to mention all the fake products that are on the market that are just a rip off. Also we are dealing with a lot of money and to not research what you are putting in your tank is just ignorant..

To compare this to a TV is IMO is pointless. TV's come with a warranty if they don't work you bring it back.. And honestly I think it's pretty easy to figure out what and how a TV works and nothing is harmed using one.

Most have thousands of dollars in a tank and to go on a manufacturers word about a product is a gamble that most people serious about the hobby aren't going to take or will research it till they do feel ok about it. When people who are scientists or professionals in the area are questioning it I feel it is warranted.

In my experience most products that state they are "revolutionary" are just someone trying to make a buck on a rebadged or useless product. Again this is just my opinion and I'm not bashing these. Honestly I hope they do work as it will be a lot easier to manage, but from the users above the cards are not in the products favor.
 
I understand that this topic must be huge to be your first post:wave:

Do you have a journal of how it has worked and photo's to back it up? I would be very interested to see how long and results. I personally have just started vinegar dosing last week - from hours of research and other people's experiences.
I do know how a T.V works :-)

To test the product did your aquarium go through changes? what were they? Do you have sps,clams and lps? or is this a fowlr aquarium?

Just as I asked for a spec on my LED system - I would like to know if this will work for my aquarium. I have spent money and more importantly my time into my little piece of paradise - Please tell me the time and effects it had on your system with levels please :-)



regalmanic said:
Hi i have been using the standard bio-Cubes in the UK now for over 12 months and will not use anything else and i have just been informed the new titanium cubes are here now also. Which i need for a reef tank i have with extremely low PO4 levels.

I have had a few email discussions with the UK distributors and also with the manufacturer in South Africa. Everyone has opened my eyes to a whole wicked world of products out there.

I noticed on here that people were wanting explanations on the complete make up of the product and how it works. Which manufacturer and distributor found quite amusing as they said do you know how your TV works and what is in it and why?
must say i agree the only time i struggled was when i used the product how it was not meant to be used. In the sump with an airstone in the bag with a decent flow across the bag took NO3 levels from 60 ppm to 5 ppm in 14 days.
In my other tnak with same setup but reactor used with Rowaphos i got no joy for 14 days so contacted the suppliers they said stop the reactor and watch. After 10 days NO3 was down to 10ppm but PO4 was high now so started the reactor and brought the PO4 down then stopped the reactor again now levels came down to 5ppm and it has remained there for 5 weeks now and the levels are 0.02 PO4 and 5ppm NO3 the manufacturer said just to keep monitoring and only start the reactor if the PO4 rise again and add cubes if the NO3 starts to rise. He called it nutrient fixing.
I had tried loads of products before and given up on all of them. So i dont need to know what or how it works just that it does and corals and fish are happy but SO AM I.
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sulfur denitration

sulfur denitration

It is always the same. When something new claims to be revolutionary and it is expensive enough, everybody is interested.
When a method that works well, has been lab tested for a long time and has proven to be problem free, have been used for decades and is very cheap, nobody is interested. Probably because the method has not enough commercial value.
I propagate the use of sulfur for de-nitration.
 
I know every tank is differnent but this product even using as direct did not even put a dent in my nitrates as 40 or my phos and 2.0 in over three months. That is with an air stone in the bag, then putting an air stone wand under the bags to ensure the getting air contact. I would have been happy to even see it drop to half of my numbers. I have confirm with two diffeent test kits as well.
 
I wouldn't necessarily agree that sulfur denitrators are problem free; a good tool but not a panacea by any means. Mine does a good job off line on the shelf ;it is very useful for high NO3 events but not so much for ongoing use,ime.
But this thread is about the cubes not sulfur denitrators.. I think the cubes are just another organic carbon source with ridiculous hype.Yeast , cyborgs and titanium,oh my.
 
Sulfur denitration

Sulfur denitration

tmz said:
I wouldn't necessarily agree that sulfur denitrators are problem free; ;it is very useful for high NO3 events but not so much for ongoing use,ime.
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Misleading information is one of the reasons people are still searching for a new revolutionary filtration method to remove nitrate and people are willing to test products as these cubes on there own risk. I did not find any science based paper or publication where these cubes have been tested for long term and /ore save use for the purpose they have been advertised. People are willing to risk the live of there livestock and spent a lot of money to do so. The believe in dogma's is the most blooming and lucrative business in the world. Animals do not believe in dogma's and they deserve better.
I need a convincing scientific paper based on long term lab tests before I will try to use Yeast to remove nitrates and phosphates from saltwater. It is my believe it will never happen!
 
I'm not a proponent of yeast at all. Did you read any of this thread? Sulfur denitrators have a downside;the "it" in that quote should have been "they" and efers to sulfur denitrators.
 
I have been using my cubes since October 2012, I have had no losses, my sps are growing wonderfully. Here is a pic of my tank.
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mandarinfanatic said:
so you do not have anything to do with or do any work of any form for dallas?
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No!!!! Dallas is a very good friend of mine! I was using Orca way before I even befriended Dallas. We actually met because of Orca, I went to marineaquariumsa forum get together and that's where I met Dallas.

I don't understand why this has to constantly be done in public, and now in an international forum. If you have a problem with the product, contact the manufacturer directly, you know who he is.

Wow, I am actually done.
 
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