Reeflo Orca 250

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12420030#post12420030 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cweder
Thanks, for bringing this up klasiksb.
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Hopefully we can get some answers. And I am really suprised other people who have this skimmer don't seem to care about the low air draw. It was tough finding out it doesn't even pull close to the specs after dropping over a grand on a skimmer.

Reeflo has been absolutely NO help in getting answers.
 
Now I'm wondering if they shouldnt give it a different needle wheel. With the stronger pump there using, it could easily handle it and might get us closer to spec.
 
Could someone from Premium help. Since this was developed with the help of Premium it would be nice if you could intervene on your customers behalf. Thanks
 
Hi Everyone,

On the specs of this skimmer. Jeremy that use to work here worked with Reeflo on getting this skimmer tested and speced out. He unfortunately doesn't work here anymore.

The next time we see if, we'll ask him more info, but we do still have the original Orca prototype running on our coral system. It's been in service almost a year now. So if we see him, we'll have him test the air on this model and see what it is pulling.
 
The Orca skimmer is ozone safe, but the seals in the Orca pump are not. So you would want to upgrade your seals to an ozone safe seal.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12439456#post12439456 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jasonfrey
The Orca skimmer is ozone safe, but the seals in the Orca pump are not. So you would want to upgrade your seals to an ozone safe seal.
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Premium, It would be better if you just contacted Jeremy instead of waiting to see if you happen to run into him. We've have been waiting for your to happen to run into Jeremy since 3/25/08 and since he does not work for Premium it would be nice if you could take matters into your own hands. Thanks
 
I think this conversation is starting to go in a direction I did not want to see. I do beleive that their should be some business responsibility and ethics as I expect the information that is supplied on a product to be verified and challended before a product is marketed, distributed and sold. I just bought a Toyota Corolla with a stated MPG of 38 highway. In reality if I was only getting 28 I would expect the company to take responsibility and fix the product or change the specifications to match the actual MPG. The car still gets me to where I want to go but not near as efficiently as I thought, which is the reason for buying it in the first place.

The same applies here. I expected 95 SCFM and even though the product works well it is not meeting the marketed specifications and that is wrong. I insist that the specifications be updated to reflect the actual air draw or clarified on how to reach those numbers. It is the manufacturers duty to prompltly meet the specifications, change them or update them with the ways to acheive them and not wait unitl we run into the guy who did this test and got those results.
 
Is the 2500 lph referring to what you can force into it with an air pump? I too am very disappointed if this is just a misleading claim, I was thinking of getting one of these for my personal tank.
 
Whether Jeremy is contacted or not is mute. What does matter is how Premium will help there customers and others who purchased this skimmer on the assumption they would achieve the advertised specification of 2500+LPH. Deleting the advertised spec would not help us either.
 
Hi Guys....

Sorry for taking so long to respond. I saw this thread a few weeks ago and meant to post to it then, and just got sidetracked. I do apologize.

I believe this is nothing more than a typo on my part. In helping with bringing the skimmer to market I was involved with a lot of testing, etc, on the 200 and 250. The prototype that I had, which is completely identical to the production models should pull right around 1950lph - 2000lph air. During the time of getting everything put online, etc., I must have put in 2500lph, not even realizing it. I can assure everyone that there was absolutely no intent of deception here on my part, or Premium Aquatics part. In fact, if you check out the two or three very large threads on this skimmer here on RC, you will see that the posted air draw is just that, 1950 - 2000lph.

If you guys have any questions, feel free to post. I will try and make time to get into the forum here on a daily basis and help out in any way that I can.

Thanks,
Jeremy
 
Since both the Orca 200 and Orca 250 use the same pump. They must use different needle wheels or venturis to change the performance. Premium and other sponsors here on RC list the Orca 200 as giving 65 SCHF/1575 LPH. We are complaining because we are not even achieving the Orca 200 numbers on our Orca 250's. They must have given us the pumps with the 200's needle wheel or something. In which case we need the other needle wheels. Premium only shows one needle wheel for these pumps for replacement, so help us out here. Maybe this is the answer, lets hope!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12442837#post12442837 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cweder
Since both the Orca 200 and Orca 250 use the same pump. They must use different needle wheels or venturis to change the performance. Premium and other sponsors here on RC list the Orca 200 as giving 65 SCHF/1575 LPH. We are complaining because we are not even achieving the Orca 200 numbers on our Orca 250's. They must have given us the pumps with the 200's needle wheel or something. In which case we need the other needle wheels. Premium only shows one needle wheel for these pumps for replacement, so help us out here. Maybe this is the answer, lets hope!
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You should be getting 1950 - 2000lph of air on the 250, and approximately 1550 - 1650lph of air on the 200.

The pumps and impellers are the same, while the plumbing and venturi's are not. This should clear things up.
 
cweder,

I just found out that the pumps have been changed on these skimmers. The information I posted was regarding the AO Smith motor. Can you confirm the speed of this pump as 1650rpm or 1750rpm? The AO Smith ran 1750. If this pump turns 1650, then that is most likely the difference right there. Having said all of that, 150lph, give or take just a little, is not even going to make a difference. I modded an Orca 250 with the AO Smith motor to pull 2350 - 2400lph, and could not tell a difference at all in performance. HTH
 
I have the AO smith motor and I get 60 SCFM/ 1700 lph that is a difference of 35 SCFM/1000 LPH. That is substantial anyway you look at it and will impact performance compared to if it was getting the 95. So now that we know there was a typo in the air draw specification and it is in fact much less than advertised. What now?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12443067#post12443067 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jeremy B.
cweder,

I just found out that the pumps have been changed on these skimmers. The information I posted was regarding the AO Smith motor. Can you confirm the speed of this pump as 1650rpm or 1750rpm? The AO Smith ran 1750. If this pump turns 1650, then that is most likely the difference right there. Having said all of that, 150lph, give or take just a little, is not even going to make a difference. I modded an Orca 250 with the AO Smith motor to pull 2350 - 2400lph, and could not tell a difference at all in performance. HTH
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12443411#post12443411 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by deuce6371
So now that we know there was a typo in the air draw specification and it is in fact much less than advertised. What now?
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Go outside and enjoy your garden and koi pond. :)
 
I am using the new Dart Gold pump, it is 1650 rpm. Three of us have posted we are getting only 60 SCFH on the Orca 250 whether A.O. Smith motor or new Dart Gold. If the only difference is the venturi and plumbing then how can we tell which venturi we received? Obviously something is wrong dont you agree? As deuce6371 has asked, what now?
 
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I honestly do not think anything is wrong. I would question your method of measurement vs mine. I used a Dwyer air meter, in a completely vertical position, measuring the peak the bead maxed out at, noting that it did bob up and down some. The small difference we are seeing here could be as simple as even power draw. If your AO Smith had more restriction from your house wiring, that could cause a speed difference. Air density at different altitudes can cause differences in testing. Heck, even differences in the construction of the exact same model of air meter could give you differences as small as what we're talking about here. There are just too many variable that come into play to argue over 10% differences in air draw. As long as the skimmer is performing flawlessly, in the end that's what really matters.


deuce671 - If you'd like, send your pump back to Premium and I'd be more than happy to hook it up myself on the skimmer there and test it.
 
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