Royal-Exclusiv Alpha Cone - 170 / 200 / 300 Announcement & Pre-Orders!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15259472#post15259472 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
Ok let me just say I had to check to make sure I was correct before posting.
Alpha pump $650 $450 if you bought the alpha
Mini airstar from atb $120
Airstar from the atb 1050A $250 for existing owners I believe.

Not that its a huge deal but thats still almost half of the red dragon pump for the askoll pump from ATB. and they use the same motor block i believe.

So that is a pretty big difference.
I believe the sedra pumps on the warner marines range from just under $100 to Less than $200 for the 9000 pumps.
even the eheim driven skimmer pumps are all less than than $200.
the SWC askoll from marinesolutions is $299
With what I know the Red Dragon branded pumps are the most expensive on the market
Mojo~


$400, not $450.

I think some people are missing the entire point here. No one is ever going to need an entire replacement pump unless you are wanting to DIY your own skimmer with another company's pump, or something really strange happens such as someone breaks into your house and steals your skimmer pump, but leaves your skimmer body. The only thing you could really ever possibly need would be parts, if something were to be dropped, break, etc. When was the last time any of you heard of an Askoll 1500 or 2000 motorblock failing? Sure it happens, but not very frequently?

The pump is under full warranty for two years, and has a part availiability guarantee for 10yrs. If you take care of the pump as you would any other pump in your system, there's no reason this thing shouldn't last for close to that 10yr time frame. That doesn't go for just the Red Dragon, but any half way decently designed pump available on the market whether or not it's for a skimmer or for just circulating water.

As an example, I just replaced a Sedra 5000 on a EuroReef CS8-2 this past Monday. That is the original pump that shipped with the skimmer and we set it up new back in November of 2000. We performed regular maintenance on the pump, kept calcium precipitation out of it the best we could, and never let anything get sucked into it, and the pump held up just fine. The same can be said for an old green Gen-X / Mak4 pump that I am personally still using that was new in '97. The pump has had regular service it's entire life and has never needed a replacement part and is just as strong and quiet as it was when it was new. I also have a 16yr old Rio pump..... ok, only joking, but I think you guys get my point. :)
 
Oh I gree Jeremy, You shouldnt really have to ever replace the motor block. But if you do it cost a lot. And compairing to the atb. Sorry I forgot. $250 to $400 is still a pretty big difference. I was only trying to show what other pumps cost rather just throwing names of company's out their and saying they are expensive too.
I am a bubble king fan for sure. Alpha fan, well good skimmer but not sold on them yet. Same pump though. Even compared to the complete SWC askoll. Its only $299 retail comared to $650 retail.

Again not a big issue as pumps dont normally go out. Just trying to add some missing information.
 
I'm not sure what you keep driving at Mojo. Sure are a lot of what ifs and rhetorical questions .

Sure you could drop a Kia engine in your BMW if the engine went out (not that you would expect it to), but the ultimate question is would you want to? I'm not sure that buying a Kia just because the engine would be cheaper to replace if it ever went out is a valid argument. After all, both cars would get you where you want to be, just not in the same style. Just buy whatever floats your boat. No offense. ;)
 
I tell you what. I am only trying to bring facts to the consumer.
But if it makes you all happy , I ll just keep my mouth shut and you all can by whatever you want with no info. I am probably the only one in the US that I know that has spent his own money to test most of these products out of my pocket to bring valuable information to everyone including myself. I am not sales based in my suggestion. I have profit margains. I make nothing out of helping everyone here. I do it for the love of the hobby.

Bigtex. Buy whatever you want. I have bought almost every skimmer on the market. I have ran most of them. I will no longer do these reviews as I dont think anyone really gives a rats behind anyways.

Its all about what looks good and who makes it right? thats the impression I got.

Mojo~
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15262371#post15262371 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
I will no longer do these reviews as I dont think anyone really gives a rats behind anyways.

Do not underestimate the power of the silent majority: Those of us that do pay attention to your reviews.

I think most people just do not comment on the threads.
 
mojo~,
I also pay attention to your reviews and I appreciate you posting them. I have gotten a lot out of them. I do, however, wonder about putting too much stock in the cost of replacing a pump you probably won't, in real life, ever have to replace. Maybe the cost of a replacement impeller or shaft.

Maybe I should reconsider whether or not to buy a well built skimmer because it might outlive it's technology! :D I don't care if it's butt-ugly as long as it does its job well.

I said no offense in my previous post, as none was intended, but I'm afraid you took offense anyway.
 
All I am trying to say is they are the same engine block. other than the venturi and volute cover its the same dang pump. it doesnt warrant a $400 difference in price tag. At least it my opinion. I wont post here anymore as I dont want to get this off topic anymore. it is what it is. And for me it is over. I get so many emails from people saying I know you suggested this but I bought this. And well it doesnt work. What can i do to make it work.
Good luck with your skimmer purchases.
I am getting a new skimmer and I am probably just going to keep it for some time.
After all I have reviewed there is one I will most likely have in my tank long term. There are two I really like and it comes down to best bang for buck for my system.
Mojo~
 
Jeremy,
How do the cones compare to the BK's? I see the Alpha 300 has 3,600 LPH of air intake while the BK DeLuxe 300 internal has 2,000 LPH. The Alpha is also $1,000 less. Are the new cones better than the BK's? If so why are they so much cheaper? I saw some cones use the same pumps as some of the BK's.
Thanks,
Ricky
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15270604#post15270604 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Husky_1
Mojo, you mentioned price to performance. Between the two, do you think the ATB econo wins?

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Here are the facts:
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Enforcible cost of RD replacement pump (per Jeremy): UNDER $400 (which could mean $399.99 but could also mean $250)

Enforcible cost of AirStar 1300 (per ATB website): $500

Therefore, minimum enforcible cost difference is ~$100 with RD being cheaper.
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If we include heresay, which is not enforcible:
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Heresay cost of AirStar 1300 (per someone's "belief"): $250

Heresay cost of RD: Anywhere from $399.99 to $0.01 :)

Therefore, maximum cost difference is $150 with ATB being cheaper.
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In consideration of the facts based upon either enforcible or heresay pricing, I'm still left w/the opinion that RE and ATB replacement pumps are of SIMILAR high cost. ATBers can get on this forum and make all the claims they want but they have no argument. We both are EQUALLY OVERCHARGED for our precious pumps.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15284626#post15284626 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mr&mrsfish
Here are the facts:
__________________________________________________
Enforcible cost of RD replacement pump (per Jeremy): UNDER $400 (which could mean $399.99 but could also mean $250)

Enforcible cost of AirStar 1300 (per ATB website): $500

Therefore, minimum enforcible cost difference is ~$100 with RD being cheaper.
___________________________________________________


If we include heresay, which is not enforcible:
___________________________________________________
Heresay cost of AirStar 1300 (per someone's "belief"): $250

Heresay cost of RD: Anywhere from $399.99 to $0.01 :)

Therefore, maximum cost difference is $150 with ATB being cheaper.
___________________________________________________

In consideration of the facts based upon either enforcible or heresay pricing, I'm still left w/the opinion that RE and ATB replacement pumps are of SIMILAR high cost. ATBers can get on this forum and make all the claims they want but they have no argument. We both are EQUALLY OVERCHARGED for our precious pumps.




Nice... very nice. :D :thumbsup:





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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15260485#post15260485 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by crab0000
Originally posted by Jeremy B.
Jason @ Proline is actually with Klaus starting today, I should hopefully hear something by tomorrow or Thursday.


Have you heard anything yet?
 
I spoke to them last week and was told they were doing some more testing with nozzles on the 170's. I know there are some skimmers that just landed, but I have a feeling they were just 200's.
 
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