Silent and Failsafe Overflow System

Thanks for the acronym definitions - DEFINITELY understand....

Yep - it is a religious tank alright ( hol-ey<G>) Must be a psychological need to drill a hole in something....Sounds Freudian - as I have been married 10 years, and - well....I just "don't get to drill as many holes" as I used to.................
Every time I build a system - it is just a continuing education and experiment - guess that is what keeps it fun!

T
 
Really though, this is BeanAnimal's thread, and we should not be in here doing this. This is too good of a thread with too much good information. we're keeping it on the front page, but still......

Regards,

Jim
 
@ teesquare : can you post a picture of the bottom pane of your aquarium, with the 14 (!) drillings ? And would you share the drawing of that aquarium with us ? I am most interested.

A large aquarium, with swiss-cheese style bottom en rear pane, flow everywhere without visible powerheads, AND a beananimal failsafe drain system, that is a dream :)
 
Jim-
You are right, and my apologies to Bean and all.. It was a non-lethal hi-jacking I hope...
x men: can you PM me your e-mail address? That way I can send you the entire PDF file of the tank drawings.
I will start a build thread next week, and post pics on that for anyone to see.
T
 
No problem - Peter.
This thread is what got this design going. The Coast to Coast/BeAnAnimal style overflow is what the customer wanted, so I read every post about it that could find.
Had done smaller ones, but this one was wanting HUGE flow numbers ( which I favor as well), so bear in mind that the BeAnAnimal design priorities are:
High Flow
Silent Running
Surface Skimming

T
 
I have a 75 gallon aquarium 48" long...I am going to make a 36" overflow box for my implementation of the failsafe overflow design...what should the depth and width of my overflow box be?
 
I just made a post on my build thread (little red house) about my construction of this overflow, but I'm gonna copy it here to show everyone. I had to make some modifications, but all in all it works great! Thank you!

Drain plumbing.

As I said earlier, I decided to use BeanAnimal's Silent and Failsafe overflow design, which is expounded upon in great detail here:http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1310585&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

The internal drains. It was suggested to use 1.25"x1" reducing street elbows, but I had a hard enough time finding the 1.25"x1" elbow I just glued a small 1" piece of PVC to the end and stuck 'em in the bulkheads. From left to right it goes: Siphon (1/2" lower then the rest to start the siphon faster) -> Open Channel -> Emergency.
42809OverflowElbows.jpg~original


The plumbing from the back (Orange tube acts like a normal durso to break a siphon from forming in the open channel unless the end gets submerged):
42809OverflowBack.jpg~original


Pipe support frame I built directly onto my stand. This allows the heavy 1.5" piping to be clamped directly to something solid so they don't torque the glass at the bulkheads.
42809OverflowSupport.jpg~original


Piping ran all the way to the sump and clamped onto the support:
42809OverflowMounted.jpg~original


I had to use 90 degree elbows here because two 1.5" 45 elbows couldn't have cleared the edge of the sump... Annoying but it still works.
42809OverflowMount.jpg~original


Final shot of all the plumbing (including the actual return line) from the back:
42809OverflowDone.jpg~original
 
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The continuation detailing the modifications I had to make:

I had to make some minor modifications to the overflow system to get it to work exactly as designed. Mainly, when I shut the ball valve on the main siphon line (to simulate a clog) the two emergency drains couldn't handle the flow fast enough and the return section of my sump ran dry. Really, I should have just designed my sump with a bigger return section, but here is how I fixed the problem:

Cut down the emergency drain:
42809Mod.jpg~original

This allowed water to start flowing through the emergency sooner and gave the open channel some extra time to purge all of its air and start acting like a siphon. Also, in the same picture you can see that I zip tied the open channel's air line as close to the overflow box's water level as possible. This allowed the open channel to start purging air and forming a siphon the moment the water level fluctuates at all.

Second, I cut some anti siphon holes halfway down the siphon pipe's intake.
42809Mod2.jpg~original

This breaks the siphon early when i turn the return flow off and stops the overflow from draining those extra two inches of water below it into my sump. This allowed me to add more water into the sump during the "turned off state" so that my return section would be higher during the "turned on state".

Along the same lines, incorporating good anti-siphon holes in my return line lowers the amount of water that falls back to my sump when the return pump is off, allowing me to add more water to the sump to reach my maximum height.
42809Mod3.jpg~original


As it is now, when I simulate a blockage of the siphon pipe the water in my sump drops down to about one inch above my return strainer before it goes back to its normal operating level when the open channel's siphon finally kicks in.
 
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Are slip fittings the best to use for this system?

Also, would it be worth it to go with Schedule 80 bulkheads; or is that too heavy duty...?
 
I prefer slip fittings and solvent over threaded PVC. Do not glue the internal elbows. Threaded PVC is a PITA and the threads are usually very pporly matched and hard to seal (teflon paste is almost ALWAYS better than tape).

You can use Sch. 80 parts, but there is no real advantage and you lose a good bit of cross sectional area. I actually use the lightweight (thin-wall) SDR stuff when I can get my hands on it.
 
Bean:
I had not considered the cross section of SDR vs sch 40... Is there a chart showing the differences? I am going to plumbing a tank soon - and in 2"... it might make a difference in flow rates...
T
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14933312#post14933312 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by teesquare
A waste of money. Sch. 80 is for much higher pressures than we can generate in home aquariums.
T

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14934632#post14934632 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BeanAnimal
I prefer slip fittings and solvent over threaded PVC. Do not glue the internal elbows. Threaded PVC is a PITA and the threads are usually very pporly matched and hard to seal (teflon paste is almost ALWAYS better than tape).

You can use Sch. 80 parts, but there is no real advantage and you lose a good bit of cross sectional area. I actually use the lightweight (thin-wall) SDR stuff when I can get my hands on it.

Awesome! Thanks for the info.

Another couple questions...

How do you keep snails, etc. from going into the overflow? Or does it not matter if you cut the internal elbows as BeanAnimal did?

Acrylic or glass for the overflow? I'm halfway considering building my own glass tank and was wondering what to make the overflow out of...
 
http://www.apiplastics.com/pvc_pipe_dimensions.html

Lets look at 1" and 2" wall thickness:

1" SDR = .070"
1" #40 = .143"
1" #8- = .190"

1" PVC has an OD of 1.315

So lets look at 1" ID:
SDR = 1.175" or 1.084 square inches
#40 = 1.059" or .88 square inches
#80 = 0.935" or .67 square inches

We can skip all the math and look at 2" cross section

SDR =3.71 square inches
#40 = 3.29 square inches
#80 =2.87 square inches
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14853441#post14853441 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by uncleof6
WAF = Wife Approval Factor
GAF = Girlfriend Approval Factor (the narcissistic kind anyway)
J
I had a very very low GAF of the time I spend on my reefkeeing hobby so I recently eliminated the equation from the picture altogether ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14935347#post14935347 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jb61264
I had a very very low GAF of the time I spend on my reefkeeing hobby so I recently eliminated the equation from the picture altogether ;)

Well then i am both happy and sad for you ....:)

Bean, do you really have trouble getting SDR21 out there? the Hydroscape Products down the street here, has it piled in 200 ft bundles, on pallets, higher than the fence........ I got about 40ft of it in the closet, hummmm new project maybe.

Jim
 
Now, if we could convince manufacturers to make flex PVC ( Spa Flex) in SDR........... What a perfect world for tank plumbers it would be, at least - that is my fantasy.
Wow.. I just had a flashback - I used to fantasize about women's plumbing....but being married cured that, so now it is aquarium plumbing....
T:rollface:
 
No it is not hard to get... It just means taking a detour to a supply house instead of the big-box store for anything other than 1"
 
Hi Bean, great system. my question is, is it possible to direct the water from the main siphon to my skimmer or will the bubbles in the skimmer break the siphon?
anyone please feel free to chime in with any advice
 
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