Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
Yes... Lost 6 angels a tusk and a pyramid BF
So what is known about Chloroquine Phosphate? Facts & documentation only Please.
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Yes... Lost 6 angels a tusk and a pyramid BF
wooden_reefer
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When you put a drug in DT, possibly it kills off small life forms, animal and plant, and pollute and overwhelms existing nitrification bacteria.
Or CP can indeed harm nitrification bacteria.
Treatment in DT comes with many undesirable consequences, even FO tank.
Does Amquel or Prime interfere with CP?
wooden_reefer
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Quite possibly some people use CP in DT with GHA, kill all and pollute, and then conclude that CP harms nitrification bacteria.
I just don't know.
CP, like most drugs, should be used in QT.
ReefCurrent2015
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I'm just razzing ya. Nothing wrong with a little bromance.
Ha...yeah right. Lol
Post dip, are you putting the fish back into the same tank they came out of? If so, they will probably just keep getting reinfected. You have to either move them to a new/sterile QT every time (like doing TT), or treat the entire QT with formalin. Infected DT has to be left fallow for 6 weeks.
I have dipped. I'm treating the QT. Should I dip too or just keep treating. What's the best way and for how long?
ReefCurrent2015
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Dang, well at least you don't have anymore bristle worms.
You usually only have to dip once or twice if you are also treating the QT. But it can still take awhile for the fish to start looking better.
Shanet
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I knew the consequences I would be facing by dosing the DT but I had no choice, it was impossible to catch the fish and if I did my QT was too small for all of them.
CP doesn't kill off bacteria, it's a consequence of every thing else it kills when used in a DT.
It took 10 days to spike as my tank was relatively new and had only one piece of LR and the rest was Base rock, all the critters in the tank were put there by me.
I haven't used Amquel or Prime so I can't comment, just water changes and redose.
ReefCurrent2015
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I agree.
Fact: I've never had a fish that's been treated with it show any parasitic signs.
Fact: All my fish in DT are clean till this day.
Fact: I have pictures to prove it with documentation.
Those are personal anecdotes, not scientifically valid facts! Sorry ......
Indeed :lol: though apparently the OP didn't find my comments amusing, or missed the point. Like it or not, this hobby is built upon anecdotal experiences and the 'just the facts maam' crowd will either find themselves regularly disappointed, or in search of a new hobby. There just aren't that many facts to be found if scientifically valid data is implied. Sorry if the OP thought I was stirring the pot just for the purpose of stirring the pot - I was really just attempting to illustrate the absurdity of asking for 'facts and documentation' .... if that is indeed what he really meant. I see nothing wrong with anecdotes as long as one does consider the source and accept that YMMV.
ReefCurrent2015
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I'm not looking for scientifically valid facts. I never said that. Although, if available, I would be interested. Like stated in your second reply, there's just not enough in this hobby.
When I refer to speculation, I'm speaking about people who hear and don't do enough homework to confirm the treatment does indeed work.
Like I mentioned in the first post of this thread, I trust TTM and Parzipro. I know they work because I've been using them for quite a while and they haven't failed me yet.
I think we can establish our own facts doing our own experiments. When you have people like Snorvich, Randy Farley, etc....who are advanced reefers, it's pretty safe to believe what they have to say. I believe TTM has been established because Snorvich said it has. When Randy Farley who has 80,000 posts says something about reef chemistry, I tend to believe it too.
So when I say established facts or documented evidence, I'm not necessarily looking for scientific evidence (although I'll definitely take it if available). I'm generally speaking of credible evidence by people who can be trusted.
ReefCurrent2015
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Sorry to say: you are! But so am I, and anyone else who allows themselves to get sucked into this hobby. And, for the record I didn't say I wasn't stirring the pot, just that I wasn't doing it just to stir the pot (thus trolling). My point really only was that there is a lot of knowledge to be had from experienced reefers even if much of it does not meet the standard of 'facts and documentation'. But I'm repeating myself ..... Which, by the way, is another sign of madness
ReefCurrent2015
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Sorry to say: you are! But so am I, and anyone else who allows themselves to get sucked into this hobby. And, for the record I didn't say I wasn't stirring the pot, just that I wasn't doing it just to stir the pot (thus trolling). My point really only was that there is a lot of knowledge to be had from experienced reefers even if much of it does not meet the standard of 'facts and documentation'. But I'm repeating myself ..... Which, by the way, is another sign of madness
So yeah, my 3 fish with Brook are still alive. Treating with FMS, and though the white haze was fading out, but it's still there today. Like last time, I guess I'm going to do FW dips with Double strength FMS dips to kill it. Figured I would give it a go only treating the HT every couple days, but it appears it's not enough. I'll let you guys know if the Dips take it out and how many I end up doing.
Ugh, good luck!
Just dumb luck, I suppose, but I have managed to go almost 25 years of keeping marine fish without as case of velvet or brook - maybe I'm due! Ich many time, but not the others. I do now prophylactically treat all fish except wrasses with CP during the QT process.
Just dumb luck, I suppose, but I have managed to go almost 25 years of keeping marine fish without as case of velvet or brook - maybe I'm due! Ich many time, but not the others. I do now prophylactically treat all fish except wrasses with CP during the QT process.
Shanet
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Just a bit more info about using CP. If you are going to test for Ammonia and you have CP in the tank it will show a false positive if you use API & Red Sea test kits but if you use Salifert it will read correctly. This was tested against a Seachem badge, I had a heart attack when the first 2 tests said I had 2 ppm of ammonia but was sceptical as all the fish were unstressed and cruising.
Excellent point! I also think actually watching the appearance and behavior is an underutilized diagnostic tool
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
This is good to know
