The most AMAZING buy today...a 1.5" Conspicillatus Angel!!!
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Yurivd
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I am sorry to hear do you think it is flukes?
I lost my conspic also last month ( I think is was a fluke strain that was prazipro resistant )
WayneL333
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Thanks again everyone. It's all part of our hobby I guess. I was told it probably was ich that killed her. The white blotchiness is a sign of ich in Chaetodontoplus and they are very sensitive to ich. Regardless I think it's immune system was weakened because its lack of eating and probably was stressed too.
Mrscribbled
Team RC
All those high end fish and no quarantine? Man total bummer, sorry about the fish.
Wayne I mean no disrespect. I hate loosing fish. especially rare expensive and beautiful fish like the baby cons pic.
Just curious why no QT? I have met reefers who used to QT and stopped QT, I have also met reefers who never QT and started after having a bad experience.
I am just curious as to why you dont consider QTing each and every fish prior to putting it into the reef.
Do you use a UV?
Just curious why no QT? I have met reefers who used to QT and stopped QT, I have also met reefers who never QT and started after having a bad experience.
I am just curious as to why you dont consider QTing each and every fish prior to putting it into the reef.
Do you use a UV?
WayneL333
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Hey Mike, no disrespect taken as I am a great supporter of positive information, experience and theory exchange in respected forums such as this as it was designed for.
Here's my theory and experience on QT. First of all, I don't introduce a lot of new fish to my system in fear of transmission of diseases. When I do introduce new fish, I do my best to inspect them to make sure they look very healthy. I do run UV, from my old school FW days. My theory is that newly collected fish are so stressed from the get go, in addition to shipping, I want to get them into a stable healthy environment as soon as possible to de-stress as soon possible. As we all know, stress which leads to weaken immune systems is one of the the major reason why we lose new fish. I also don't want to subject them to medication that may be harsh and more detrimental than beneficial to them.
My general practice is to put new fish into my refugium. It allows them to get used to my system in a stress free environment, I make sure they eat well and show no signs of disease. I figure if they die in that kind of environment, they'd most likely die in a qt'd medicated tank too. Either way, I'd lose them. Regarding this Conspiculatus, she was so small and fragile to begin with, I wanted be certain she was eating well and healthy before I took any further action. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. But in every loss in this hobby, it was a great learning experience. I look forward to more.
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Allmost
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so true....
I kind of go about it the same way [except the type of fish] and when I have a new arrival in the "new arrival tank" I install a UV on its drain ... that way I am sure 99.99% that no disease will make it to my display tank. if fish dies, I then drain the tank and fill up again with new water. its a 30 G so the amount of my water change anyways.
bullitr
broke but happy
The most AMAZING buy today...a 1.5" Conspicillatus Angel!!!
I do the same thing on a small and delicate fish
I had and have juvenile regal angel 1" pair always and I don't qt them because they will die right away instead I put them on my cube with mostly tiny fish and they will do great there, no uv or anything. I did it with my Achilles and blonde naso too for week it never eat in qt so I put it on the cube to graze and 2 days later it did and I trained it to eat pellets before the ick gets bad, took it out and do rapid hyposalinity ( 6 hours ) then dump it on the main tank to finished hyposalinity.
I do the same thing on a small and delicate fish
I had and have juvenile regal angel 1" pair always and I don't qt them because they will die right away instead I put them on my cube with mostly tiny fish and they will do great there, no uv or anything. I did it with my Achilles and blonde naso too for week it never eat in qt so I put it on the cube to graze and 2 days later it did and I trained it to eat pellets before the ick gets bad, took it out and do rapid hyposalinity ( 6 hours ) then dump it on the main tank to finished hyposalinity.
jnc914
Active member
The principles of running QT, and the ultimate goal of it, is to alleviate stress on the fish while it acclimates to captive life in a new environment. A QT also allows the fish to be observed closely, in a smaller environment, for further stress or disease; and allows you to treat as need be. In addition, the new fish doesn't have to compete with tankmates for food. With that being said, everything that I have read within the past several posts is completely contradictory to the goal of getting this delicate 1.5" angel to safely acclimate and ultimately thrive once introduced to the main display.
By adding the fish directly to a main display, or even to the refuge, because you deemed that it was too delicate or small for QT, or it appeared to be healthy, may or may not have directly lead to it perishing. You mention it was added to your refuge, but that is still a stressful new environment for that fish. Even if a fish appears to not be harrassed, or it doesn't looked stressed when added to the display/refuge, you can not guarantee that the fish is not still experiencing some level of stress that may have caused it not to eat, or to have lowered its immunity, making it succeptable to disease.
Wayne- Your logic of "I figure if they die in that kind of environment, they'd most likely die in a qt'd medicated tank too" is a faulty one. Bottom line is if you have previously lost fish in a QT, and this is why you have opted to forgo it now on a $$$ high end fish , you may need to re-evaluate why QT has not worked for you. Was the QT not mature enough, was the fish not healthy upon initially receiving it, did you medicate it too quickly or before it had enough time to settle in the QT, did you keep up with water parameters, etc. You obviously have the means to have a pretty serious QT if you wanted. A Conspic that size doesn't come around that often, it is a shame to have lost it when it could have possibly been avoided by properly QT'ing.
I apologize for being preachy. I have learned the hard way over the last 12 years in this hobby that QT is very important for the long term health of your tank. I opted to not QT a delicate Regal Angel back in 2006. It had velvet and wiped out almost my entire tank. I have been running the same QT set up since and the only fish I have lost recently were ones that came in and were visibly sick, malnourished, or infested with parasites and had no chance of survival anyway.
By adding the fish directly to a main display, or even to the refuge, because you deemed that it was too delicate or small for QT, or it appeared to be healthy, may or may not have directly lead to it perishing. You mention it was added to your refuge, but that is still a stressful new environment for that fish. Even if a fish appears to not be harrassed, or it doesn't looked stressed when added to the display/refuge, you can not guarantee that the fish is not still experiencing some level of stress that may have caused it not to eat, or to have lowered its immunity, making it succeptable to disease.
Wayne- Your logic of "I figure if they die in that kind of environment, they'd most likely die in a qt'd medicated tank too" is a faulty one. Bottom line is if you have previously lost fish in a QT, and this is why you have opted to forgo it now on a $$$ high end fish , you may need to re-evaluate why QT has not worked for you. Was the QT not mature enough, was the fish not healthy upon initially receiving it, did you medicate it too quickly or before it had enough time to settle in the QT, did you keep up with water parameters, etc. You obviously have the means to have a pretty serious QT if you wanted. A Conspic that size doesn't come around that often, it is a shame to have lost it when it could have possibly been avoided by properly QT'ing.
I apologize for being preachy. I have learned the hard way over the last 12 years in this hobby that QT is very important for the long term health of your tank. I opted to not QT a delicate Regal Angel back in 2006. It had velvet and wiped out almost my entire tank. I have been running the same QT set up since and the only fish I have lost recently were ones that came in and were visibly sick, malnourished, or infested with parasites and had no chance of survival anyway.
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Allmost
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we are talking about placing the fish by itself in a small tank, connected to DT. not in the DT itself with other fish ...
if the fish refuses to eat in the perfect environment where SPS are flourishing ... then I do not think a QT could have had better water or more natural foods for it to start eating.
medication side, your right completely. cant medicate this way
therefore need for a hospital tank
if the fish refuses to eat in the perfect environment where SPS are flourishing ... then I do not think a QT could have had better water or more natural foods for it to start eating.
medication side, your right completely. cant medicate this way
therefore need for a hospital tank
jnc914
Active member
How do you know that you are not exposing the new fish to an existing pathogen or parasite that is already living in the tank? The existing fish in the display may have built an immunity to it, but the new fish has not. If you QT all fish/corals/anything wet to begin with, you have less of a chance of having to deal with these issues.
Wayne hasn't been QT'ing. So there may have been dormant parasites/pathogens already in his display that attacked the stressed Conspic...
Also, UV has proven to not be "99.9%" effective in many a tank, just check out the disease forum.
Wayne hasn't been QT'ing. So there may have been dormant parasites/pathogens already in his display that attacked the stressed Conspic...
Also, UV has proven to not be "99.9%" effective in many a tank, just check out the disease forum.
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Tactics
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It didn't make sense to me at the time, but after speaking with Koji at Blue Harbor, he advocates putting all new arrivals in brand new saltwater. I always thought putting a fish in mature water was more beneficial, which common sense would lead you to believe.
But now that I think about it, it makes so much more sense to put a new fish in new water. It allows the fish time to build back their slime coat and protects them from any pathogens/contaminates from mature water.
But now that I think about it, it makes so much more sense to put a new fish in new water. It allows the fish time to build back their slime coat and protects them from any pathogens/contaminates from mature water.
