The problems why, IMO people have trouble keeping fish alive

Paul B

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So many posts are about fish dying and this is a shame. Most of the fish we keep should live at least ten years and many 15 or 20 years with the exception of small gobies, pipefish and seahorses as their life span is only a few years. Fish should also almost "never" get sick with anything. No spots, discolorations, fin rot, losing appetite, the heartbreak of psoriasis etc. I feel it is all about food. No, not water parameters, salinity, hair algae, cyano or Lady GaGa, although Rap music may cause some problems. :hmm2: Food is the secret and flake food and pellets are not helping your fish even if they love the stuff. I love peanut M&Ms but I don't eat them every day. Fishes health depends on their immune system and their immune system will hardly function without the proper food. I wrote many articles on that so I don't want to do it again but virtually all of my paired fish are spawning and they spawn all the time. That, and only that is the sign of healthy fish as healthy fish spawn continuously all of their adult lives. Almost all fish will live much better and have few if any health problems if they are fed whole foods such as clams or worms. No, freeze dried do not count at all. Some commercially available frozen foods are very good but look for whole foods on the label such as clams or fish eggs. Trout pellets, fish fillets, squid, octopus tentacles and cocktail shrimp are not real good foods so you can send the shrimp to me.
Oysters, clams and mussels are excellent foods. But then live or frozen, not canned. Freeze them and shave off thin slices. Live blackworms which I have been using for fifty years are excellent and all of my fish get some every day even my 24 year olds and they are still spawning. I realize many people live in Siberia, Tunesia or Utah and have a problem with these foods all I can say is, move. I am sure they ship clams to Utah but I don't remember the last time I was there what I ate. Live blackworms can be ordered on line. Live earthworms are also an excellent food. Hold the worm up to a faucet (preferably while your wife is out) and gently squeeze the thing down to the tail. The head is the end where the eyelashes are. Cut them up or use them whole for larger fish. Anemones and crustaceans also love them (as do Platypusses) You can also cut them up and freeze them. If you don't want to wash them, just put them in some clean soil for a week to flush them out and don't take them from a place that weed killer , bug killer or fertilizer has been used. They are a great food and free. Free is good but many people don't think a food is good just because it is free. If you feed nothing but whole foods to your fish, they will get so healthy that they will start demanding things from you like the TV remote. If you quarantine, that is up to you. I personally don't have to but I don't want to get into that because of the hate mail I will get demanding that I stick myself in the eye with a bristleworm and leave town. :hmm2:
For more "difficult" fish such as mandarins, pipefish, shrimpfish, manta rays etc, a target feeder is almost a necessity. Those fish will live without one, but not really thrive for many years and also spawn. I am not sure about the manta ray.

Pregnant ruby red dragonette.


Pregnant blue stripe pipefish

 
Really - common earthworms? That was unexpected.

I would be interested in growing blackworms, however. The missus might not approve but then neither one of us knows why she married me and has put up with me for 5 years already.
 
Growing and keeping both black worms and white worms is not that hard. My wife does not like them that much, but that`s her problem. I am the boss around here and what I say goes. I even have her permission to say so.
 
i used to be a mealworm farmer. i farmed them to feed to the bluebirds that nest in my yard but then life got in the way and i had to retire from mealworm farming to get a real job since mealworm farming didn't even pay minimum wage.

when i harvested the worms, i put them in a container full of cornmeal where they buried themselves and then i put that container in the fridge so they would go to sleep and not wake up till i took them out and left them at room temperature.

i would like to try feeding my fish some live blackworms but to be honest, worms freak me out. i know you won't believe this but during the time i farmed mealworms, i never ever touched a single one of them. eww.

so, paul, where is the best place to order live blackworms? and are they kept the same way as mealworms? which wouldn't be a problem for me since i live alone and my mother (God rest her soul) doesn't visit me any more because she died a few years ago. the first time she came here and opened my fridge and asked me what was in the tupperware bowl, i had to lie. if i had told her it was live worms, she woulda screamed like a girl and ran back to minnesota. she wouldn't have even waited for an airplane.
 
Nina, (you Supermodel) blackworms live in freshwater and do not even speak to mealworms, but whiteworms live somewhat like mealworms, in soil. I don't think they would live in cornmeal but damp potting soil with no fertilizer. They will eat Cheerios, dry instant mashed potato flakes, bread or peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
Here are some Jewish worms eating a Matzo. They are a little hard to get out of the soil but whiteworms live for hours in saltwater and don't bury into the sand because I don't think they like salt water much because they just coil up and do the Macarena. Blackworms I buy here in an LFS for two bucks a portion but where you live, I doubt you can get them. Blackworms live 12 seconds in salt water and if you put your fingers in your ears, you won't hear them scream.

 
so, you're saying that blackworms are snobs? what do they have to be snobbish about? heck, i'm a supermodel and i'm friendly to pretty much everybody unless they ask me if i eat my pigs or if i have a saddle for my dogs. or the worst one, do my dogs live IN my house?? i usually tell them no, *i* live in *their* house. that question always amazes me. just because my dogs weight 500# each, why does that mean they can't live in the house? smh!

but, i digress. i'm pretty sure my lfs wouldn't know a blackworm if it jumped up and bit 'em in the butt. they only carry the typical frozen and freeze dried fish food. heck, they don't even have feeder goldfish. seriously!

i think johnike's lfs carries live blackworms. he'll be here in a few weeks for MA spring break '15 so i'll see if he can bring me some to try. i mean, for my fish to try. i don't think i'd eat any since i don't even like to touch worms. bleh.

i used to feed my mealworms apple slices. i never gave them pb&j sammiches. hrmmm...
 
For anyone that has ordered black worms from one of the online sources; what's the 'magic' quantity. Or, asked differently, how long will they last in the fridge?
 
Yes blackworms and "some" Supermodels are snobs. I know nothing of 500lb dogs as I never had a dog. Someone on my block has an Irish Wolfhound (I think) but I would swear it is a Moose
 
you can tell the difference between an IWH and a moose because a moose has bigger feet.

For anyone that has ordered black worms from one of the online sources; what's the 'magic' quantity. Or, asked differently, how long will they last in the fridge?

i would like to know this, too.
 
If you build a blackworm keeper and feed the little buggers brown paper towels, they live quite a while. Keeper design was "borrowed" from Paul and modified slightly. I do not keep them in the refrigerator. I feed them to fish by sucking them up in turkey basters.
 

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Just got my fish a week ago, one clown and one goby. What's your thoughts on feeding them frozen mysis shrimp? It is what the saltwater store I bought the fish from suggested, and from what I've read around here, it seems to be a popular choice.
 
Mysis would be a good place to start since that was probably what they were feeding at the LFS. Then start with other foods like worms and clams or oysters. If you get fish that feed on algae, like tangs or angels, add spirulina flakes or nori. Then rotate the foods they eat.
 
Okay, I have some hunting to do. My wife is going to think I'm crazier than normal the next time it rains and I'm on my hands and knees in the yard, picking at invisible things like the birds.

BTW, Paul, I'll have you know that my fish are now eating better than me. 40 bucks at the deli and my grocer tells me I have a healthy seafood appetite, the look on her face was priceless when I said I was just going to toss it all in my aquarium. My bag of salami looked kind of pitiful next to it all. Unless basslets like Genoa with pepperjack.
 
Mysis would be a good place to start since that was probably what they were feeding at the LFS. Then start with other foods like worms and clams or oysters. If you get fish that feed on algae, like tangs or angels, add spirulina flakes or nori. Then rotate the foods they eat.

Cool, thanks for the reply!
 
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