Thumbs up for Ozone!

[MadTownMax]

I've seen a lot of comments in this thread about the toxicity, and leathality :eek1: of ozone - I just wanted to post this so that people can rest a little easier.

For the most part what I have gleamed from this thread (and the recent thread by RHF in his reef Alchemy colum about O2 gas dissolving in water being a very slow process) , is that:
1) Activated carbon should be on the gas exit for whichever method you use for delivering O3, wheather that is on the top cup of your skimmer, or the vent on an ozone reactor

2) Carbon on the liquid output of yor O3 injection device - wheather a skimmer or O3 reactor is nice to have, however While in contact with water in our aquariums O3 will very quickly find bacteria/particles/dissolved organics to react with and not exist longer than the blink of an eye.

If anyone disagrees - feel free to comment - but I just wanted to post for those who seemed inappropriately terrified of the incredibly small amounts of O3 we use in our tanks :lol:

In comparison, while I was searching on the O3 subject I found air purifiers which put out 400,500 and even 600 mg/hour ozone - and people in this thread are worried about 200 mg/hour :rollface:

 

[MadTownMax]

FWIW I found this on the FAQ section of WWM -

Ozone Issue
Q- Hello Bob
You said ozone is highly toxic to marine animals. Have you ever had any case of fatality involving fish only?

BF - Hmm, have seen a few examples only... this is exceedingly rare... A friend had a facility in Southern California that had a huge (pounds per hour) ozone generator... and he "burned" up 350k or so "feeder guppies" (imported from Singapore during a shortage in the US)... He called me in to take a look, and the pH meter on the unit was reading close to ten... Oh, and when Chris Turk was working for Sea World (back when HBJ owned them, they likewise fried a bunch of Amphiprionine breeders... with a too-large ozonizer... but the home units that make a couple of hundred milligrams per hour... not realistically dangerous

Q - I have some knowledge in chemistry. The living water tank is full of
biological activities. Even if large dose of ozone get accidentally poured
into the system, the Ozone molecules will quickly oxidize and become
neutral. By the time any ozone that made it to the fish's gills, I think
there would be too little ozone to do lethal damage. The air is 20% oxygen
and ozone made is supposedly more less.

BF- Agree with most all of this... but if the O3 comes in direct contact with the biota... can be toxic... but not "very toxic" in practical applications...

Q- I know you taught high school chemistry, so what do you think?

BF - Yes, taught chemistry and physics... Do use ozone, install corona discharge and UV type generators at collecting stations all over the planet (and desiccators for the air entering them)... am a big fan of ozone use... Bob Fenner

 

[reefplayer]

Hi,

Just to ask using an air pump to air dryer and to a ozonizer then to the skimmer./reactor
How do you judge how much air intake for the air pump to the ozonizer? Even with 50mg to 200mg? no change in air flow from the air pump? Any effect in chosing an air pump for a ozonizer?

 

[scarab65]

Will the introduction of ozone affect the pH of my tank?

 

[liquidfunk]

ozone does not effect PH

 

[scarab65]

ozone does not effect PH

Thanks for the prompt reply bro.

 

[MdM31]

ok im new to ozone. i was looking at running this unit http://marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=RS3631 on my 58 gallon reef tank.

1-do i need a controller? Is a controller necessary or can I go without wone because im trying to save some cash.
2-how much ozone should I dose, i would like to run it 24/7

 

[samsfishnchips]

mdm31,

you can run it without a controller but I think a controller is the best way, how you know how to keep a steady level? not enought, too much?

again to know how much, you need to know your level and see how much you need to target your desired level, all system are different, different bioload, ect,

if you want to do it right, I would be the enaly for 50 buck, and the controller for 100, everything to your door should be around 170 if money is a concern, similar units like the red sea are nice because you can control the amount, but the enamly is one setting but with the controller you will be fine,

sam

 

[MdM31]

ok whats an enamly?

-Mike

 

[cediss]

ozone does not effect PH

It can effect the readings from probes! So while it does not directly effect waters pH it can mess with electronic readings from pH probes that are to close to the ORP probe!

 

[gotfrogs]

MdM31, it is just a brand of ozone generator. You can buy one here http://www.ozoneforless.com or on eBay

 

[MdM31]

ok i ordered the enaly unit. now should i get the Milwaukee ORP controller? Also what level of ORP should I se the Controller at?? I know the enaly unit is 300mg/h so is there any way I can adjust that, because I will not need that much ozone in my tank. Cheers.

-Mike

 

[liquidfunk]

you can NOT use an enaly with a controller (at least not one using X10. I recently sold my brand new enaly because I couldnt run the controller, and It even made the speakers in my house buzz.

I do not recommend Enaly. They are great if you dont mind not being able to turn on any speakers in your home, and dont even want to use any kind of X10 controller, then dont buy one.

 

[crna63]

The enaly units are also not adjustable.

 

[samsfishnchips]

MdM31,

just get the Milwaukee ORP controller, works like a charm and when you upgrade tanks, you will be set for that too, the controller will make the adjustments, I shoot for 400, but something in the 350's is fine,

and by the way, speakers here work fine, I guess is one of those cases like a ballast driving people nutz, ect

sam

 

[xxvietxjustinxx]

We'll I read a good ammount of all the post for some time now, and I've been thinking about how I am going to get the clean water from the skimmer to hit carbon. The clean water from ER skimmers go up, like this diagram (thanks to mspaint). Can anybody tell me if this is correct?

As you can see on the right, the water exits upwards and drops down due to uh.. gravity? haha. So I'm thinking about how I would be able to get the clean water to run through carbon.

Also, is the T and everything esle correct? I'm thinking about getting an ozone for my 180 but I'm running a little short on money since I just bought 6 pairs of shoes from eastbay . What it takes to be a teenager in highschool :lol:.

 

[Member No. 1]

We'll I read a good ammount of all the post for some time now, and I've been thinking about how I am going to get the clean water from the skimmer to hit carbon. The clean water from ER skimmers go up, like this diagram (thanks to mspaint). Can anybody tell me if this is correct?
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As you can see on the right, the water exits upwards and drops down due to uh.. gravity? haha. So I'm thinking about how I would be able to get the clean water to run through carbon.

Also, is the T and everything esle correct? I'm thinking about getting an ozone for my 180 but I'm running a little short on money since I just bought 6 pairs of shoes from eastbay . What it takes to be a teenager in highschool :lol:.

Don't worry about the water coming out. Look back a page of this thread at what MadTownMax posted. I only have carbon on the air outlet of the skimmer just so I don't smell the ozone.

 

[MdM31]

uummm i dont use x10 or any fancy $1000 aquacontroller units. so i dont think it will be a problem. Like nunez1980 said, I will be getting the Milwaukee ORP controller, dial it in at 350, and slap it on the wall next to my PH controller.

thanks,

-Mike

 

[xxvietxjustinxx]

Don't worry about the water coming out. Look back a page of this thread at what MadTownMax posted. I only have carbon on the air outlet of the skimmer just so I don't smell the ozone.

Hm still, why take a chance when carbon only cost a few bucks? Even a kid with a budget can afford carbon, lol. I just need to figure out a way to use the carbon.

 

[samsfishnchips]

xxvietxjustinxx,

just modified the output of the skimmer and make a basket to filter all the output, but remember to check carbon brands, softness and such, and that the output gently flow into, you don't want to hit it hard, and breaking the carbon,

sam