Vortech Tunze and Jebao

[Potatohead]

Great go Jebao! My RW/PP15s are awesome and have lasted 3 years!

If you don't like 'em don't buy 'em; and I won't buy any Tunzes or Vortechs! Because at 3 years I'm way ahead of the cost of a comparable pair of Vortechs at $700 and repairs and even farther ahead of the $800-$900 price tag of comparable Tunzes. :wavehand:

Even a blind and deaf squirrel finds a nut from time to time... Although three years isn't exactly a long time.

 

[FirstContact]

At 12 years old on two and maybe 14 or 15 years on the old brown A/C Tunze 6050, I am way ahead of any Jebao user on dollars spent over the years. All were bought used and have had minimal parts replaced. I replaced bearings on the 6100's just because they were old, not wore out and they are still rocking the original impellers and props, I have less than $20 in parts. That is kind of hard to beat.

I am glad some people have got more than a year or two on the Jebaos, but they are in the vast minority of people, not the majority. Value isn't measured in money spent initially but money not spent for the duration of the product.

I've owned several Tunzes all bought new and they only lasted between 4-6 years, and I was never a fan of their downgraded magnets. So at 3 years with my Jebaos at $200 I am much more happy than having spent $800 or $900 on a pair of comparable Tunzes. Nothing against Tunzes or Vortechs. Certainly quality pieces of gear for those who wish to pay more. But for me, and my experiences, I make out better with my Jebaos.

 

[FirstContact]

Even a blind and deaf squirrel finds a nut from time to time... Although three years isn't exactly a long time.

Mr. Potatohead paid too much for his powerheads. In the meantime I'm running ozone, bought a MQ-210 par meter and tickets for and airline tickets to MACNA.:bounce3:

Give it up Potatohead. Jebao has a place in the market and their RW/PP series are only going to get better with time. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean others can't.

 

[slief]

I've owned several Tunzes all bought new and they only lasted between 4-6 years, and I was never a fan of their downgraded magnets. So at 3 years with my Jebaos at $200 I am much more happy than having spent $800 or $900 on a pair of comparable Tunzes. Nothing against Tunzes or Vortechs. Certainly quality pieces of gear for those who wish to pay more. But for me, and my experiences, I make out better with my Jebaos.

As far as I am aware, the RW's haven't even been out in the states for 3 years yet. In fact, they were officially announced in April of 2014 if memory serves me. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you first considering the RW's when you were setting up your 120G tank in late 2014?? I seem to remember your October 2014 wish lest that included the Jebao RW's and another thread you started in Oct of 2014 asking if people still liked their RW's because you were considering them. In Jan 2015, you mentioned having the RW's but only having tested them in a bucket at the time. Isn't it closer to 2 years since you got your RW's and not 3?? We know you absoltely love your Jebaos. You've been dominating this thread.

FWIW, I am on 6 years with 3 of my Tunze's. Only cleaned them twice in that time too. Posted pictures of them after 3 years. Try that with your Jebaos. :thumbsup: I've got a total of 6 Tunze's here running on different tanks. None have failed and I beat the hell out of all of them. I've installed a dozen or so RW's for customers over the last 2.5 or so years since they first hit the streets here in the US. Nearly half have failed during that time for one reason or another though they certainly are better than the first Jebao's that were released. My friend who is a neighbor and also a forum member nearly had his house burn down when once of the first gen Jebao power supplies went up in smoke. Had he not been home at the time, it would have been a disaster. Bottom line. They are reasonably decent pumps for the price but they don't take the kind of abuse that a Tunze will and they won't last as long either.

To each his own though. I think you made your point. We know you love your Jebaos which is perfectly fine.

 

[jda]

Since you cannot seem to live in this world of reality and facts, I think that it is OK to live in a world where a Chinese theft company does any R&D, design or improvements. Since you have not been able to grasp the concept yet that these companies steal everything and that R&D costs too much to them (that is their business model), this parallel bizarro world with the stolen RW/PP pumps getting better might be a good place to live. If you decide to want to stay in this world, when the inevitable question arises in old age about what happened to America, you can raise your hand and explain that you happened to America and not only turned a deaf ear like so many others to save a buck, but was worse and made excuses and false rhetoric in a Trumpian style about what was really happening.

 

[slief]

I've owned several Tunzes all bought new and they only lasted between 4-6 years, and I was never a fan of their downgraded magnets. So at 3 years with my Jebaos at $200 I am much more happy than having spent $800 or $900 on a pair of comparable Tunzes. Nothing against Tunzes or Vortechs. Certainly quality pieces of gear for those who wish to pay more. But for me, and my experiences, I make out better with my Jebaos.

I will also note that in late 2014 when discussing your plans for the 120, you mentioned considering the Tunze 6095 and 6105's but were holding off until you were further along with that build. Instead you chose the Jebaos. I'm curious about these several Tunze's that you've owned that all failed in 4-6 years. Your only comment that has ever been about Tunze's as far as issues thus far has been about their weak magnets. Something I've never experienced with any Tunze's but weak is relative to the glass thickness. Again, it's great you love your Jebaos but please at least be honest about the Tunze's. To say that you owned several all failed within 4-6 years couldn't possibly be a stretch of the truth could it? I know way to many people with Tunze's and have never heard of those kind of failure rates. There are many here with 10 year old Tunze's that are still running great today.

 

[FirstContact]

Since you cannot seem to live in this world of reality and facts, I think that it is OK to live in a world where a Chinese theft company does any R&D, design or improvements. Since you have not been able to grasp the concept yet that these companies steal everything and that R&D costs too much to them (that is their business model), this parallel bizarro world with the stolen RW/PP pumps getting better might be a good place to live. If you decide to want to stay in this world, when the inevitable question arises in old age about what happened to America, you can raise your hand and explain that you happened to America and not only turned a deaf ear like so many others to save a buck, but was worse and made excuses and false rhetoric in a Trumpian style about what was really happening.

China does steal IP rights. But I don't see Jebao RWs doing it. If your questioning my patriotism, I am veteran of the USMC and the first Gulf War. I believe in International Trade which obviously is something you don't. And according to your views on China, it's most likely you voted for Trump not me! If Vortech is so American, why not have their parts manufactured here. And Tunze is German not American. So what's your beef with anything from China? Scared little people said the same thing about Japan in the 70s.

 

[FirstContact]

I will also note that in late 2014 when discussing your plans for the 120, you mentioned considering the Tunze 6095 and 6105's but were holding off until you were further along with that build. Instead you chose the Jebaos. I'm curious about these several Tunze's that you've owned that all failed in 4-6 years. Your only comment that has ever been about Tunze's as far as issues thus far has been about their weak magnets. Something I've never experienced with any Tunze's but weak is relative to the glass thickness. Again, it's great you love your Jebaos but please at least be honest about the Tunze's. To say that you owned several all failed within 4-6 years couldn't possibly be a stretch of the truth could it? I know way to many people with Tunze's and have never heard of those kind of failure rates. There are many here with 10 year old Tunze's that are still running great today.

So too it's apparent you have a love affair with Tunze and all things Apex Slief. I don't really think I'm off that much on the age of my powerheads. Everybody with Tunzes acts like they've been in the tank 24/7/365 for a decade! And yes I really did not have a long lasting relationship with 4 - 5 Tunzes that failed b/w 4-6 years. My experience! Not yours!

 

[FirstContact]

If all you people are so scared of Jebao I feel sorry for you because their products are in the market to stay.

 

[sirreal63]

My tunzes have been wet more than a decade, I am not the only one either. Other than the week between the first owner and me, they have been in constant use.

I am sorry that more people do not understand the trade imbalance with China and the U.S. Germany, Italy and most of the EU does not have that massive trade imbalance and that is what makes it better to use those products and we do it with a clear conscience.

Please, everyone, let's leave politics out of it.

FirstContact, you should know your posts remain on this site forever. At some point in time they will be archived but even the archives are searchable.

 

[slief]

So too it's apparent you have a love affair with Tunze and all things Apex Slief. I don't really think I'm off that much on the age of my powerheads. Everybody with Tunzes acts like they've been in the tank 24/7/365 for a decade! And yes I really did not have a long lasting relationship with 4 - 5 Tunzes that failed b/w 4-6 years. My experience! Not yours!

Funny.. I have an Apex here, a GHL Profilux 3 and even a Vertex Cerebra. I love my Profilux and my Apex. Neither have let me down and both are built like tanks and backed with excellent support. Same can be said about my Tunze's. While I don't act like my Tunze's have been in my tank for a decade, they have in fact been in my tank for several years. I also know Tunze's support and they do a great service to this industry. Especially Tunze USA. You see, I've been in the computer industry since 1987. My computer manufacturing business has built a name for itself in the military and film industries since the mid 90's. I built that company on service and support and it's been key to our success. We never copied anybody. The products I design are always innovative and backed by some of the best support the industry has to offer. I have an affinity for companies that provide the same kind of innovation, service and post sales support. Tunze's just happens to be one of those companies that has a long proven track record of building quality products and backing it with quality support and a good warranty. Their power heads and even pumps are among the lowest failure rate in the industry. What's not to like about that? I've been in this hobby and industry for a heck of a long time. Longer than most here. I've been using products from Tunze for over 20 years and never once experienced a failure. I've used Neptune products since Neptune systems first launched in the mid 90's. Back then it was the AquaController or the Octopus. Octopus came and went but Neptune has stood the test of time. Same can be said about GHL. They've been around for a long long time and both Neptune and GHL have had decades of experience to produce very mature products. That's not to say that they don't or haven't had their share of issues but they are fast to fix them when they do. I've used and serviced products from countless other manufacturers. Some great, some good, some not so good. I've always been honest and always try to remain unbiased when it comes to quality products. On the flip side, I tend to avoid recommending products that I know aren't built to last.

That said, despite my affiliation with Royal Exclusiv, you will also see me recommending a host of other pumps too including Fluval, Iwaki, Reeflo, Sicce etc. All devices I have first hand long term experience with. Skimmers, I routinely recommend a pretty wide range of those too including Lifereef, ATB, Aquamaxx and others. I am about the most unbiased person I know. :lol2: I also am always here trying to help people whether it be with an Apex, a Profilux, Kessils, Mitras, different skimmers or whatever. Rarely to I talk down about products. I'd just assume bite my lip in most cases but not all. I do however recommend products that I have long term experience with and have proven reliable. Tunze's and Apex's just happens to be a couple of those products. :thumbsup:

 

[FirstContact]

My tunzes have been wet more than a decade, I am not the only one either. Other than the week between the first owner and me, they have been in constant use.

FirstContact, you should know your posts remain on this site forever. At some point in time they will be archived but even the archives are searchable.

And I think that's great. Enjoy your Tunzes and I'll enjoy my Jebaos and will be sure to let you know when they fail.

Also note someone else in this thread mentioned their Jebao products were running flawlessly for two years.

I haven't claimed flawless. I run them on my controller and that's why I think they last longer.

Not sure how/what searchable archives are supposed to do. I've never put out more than $200 for my Jebaos. Ones an RW and ones a PP that replaced an RW at no cost to me. So it's $200 for two powerheads.

If you want to leave politics out of it; you should have written that a lot earlier in the thread.

 

[FirstContact]

Funny.. I have an Apex here, a GHL Profilux 3 and even a Vertex Cerebra. I love my Profilux and my Apex. Neither have let me down and both are built like tanks and backed with excellent support. Same can be said about my Tunze's. While I don't act like my Tunze's have been in my tank for a decade, they have in fact been in my tank for several years. I also know Tunze's support and they do a great service to this industry. Especially Tunze USA. You see, I've been in the computer industry since 1987. My computer manufacturing business has been a name in the military and film industry since the mid 90's. I built that company on service and support and it's been key to our success. We never copied anybody. The products I design are always innovative and backed by some of the best support the industry has to offer. I have an affinity for companies that provide the same kind of innovation, service and post sales support. Tunze's just happens to be one of those companies that has a long proven track record of building quality products and backing it with quality support and a good warranty. Their power heads and even pumps are among the lowest failure rate in the industry. What's not to like about that? I've been in this hobby and industry for a heck of a long time. Longer than most here. I've been using products from Tunze for over 20 years and never once experienced a failure. I've used and serviced products from countless manufacturers. Some great, some good, some not so good. I've always been honest and always try to remain unbiased when it comes to quality products. On the flip side, I tend to avoid recommending products that I know aren't built to last.

That said, despite my affiliation with Royal Exclusiv, you will also see me recommending a host of other pumps too including Fluval, Iwaki, Reeflo, Sicce etc. All devices I have first hand long term experience with. Skimmers, I routinely recommend a pretty wide range of those too including Lifereef, ATB, Aquamaxx and others. I am about the most unbiased person I know. :lol2: I also am always here trying to help people whether it be with an Apex, a Profilux, Kessils, Mitras, different skimmers or whatever. Rarely to I talk down about products. I'd just assume bite my lip in most cases but not all. I do however recommend products that I have long term experience with and have proven reliable. Tunze's and Apex's just happens to be a couple of those products. :thumbsup:

That's all great Slief. You do this as a profession. I am just a hobbyist who also likes to report his own experiences, and I like Jebao for my powerheads because I have had a good experience with them.

 

[FirstContact]

I am sorry that more people do not understand the trade imbalance with China and the U.S. Germany, Italy and most of the EU does not have that massive trade imbalance and that is what makes it better to use those products and we do it with a clear conscience.

Please, everyone, let's leave politics out of it.

How is the above apolitical? I purchase Jebao with a clear conscience because the government tells me it's okay to and I welcome competition in the market place.

 

[sirreal63]

If you do not know the difference in trade and politics then I am not sure I can help you.

 

[slief]

That's all great Slief. You do this as a profession. I am just a hobbyist who also likes to report his own experiences, and I like Jebao for my powerheads because I have had a good experience with them.

The only thing I currently do as a profession in this industry is my role Royal Exclusiv which requires minimal time. Not really a profession but more of a side job since my main profession is my computer buesiness. I occasionally do a large scale install here or there or help people setup their controllers. Not just Apex by the way. Back in the early to mid 90's I imported and distributed sharks and some exotic fish species. I'm a hobbiest first and foremost and plan on keeping it that way. Once upon a time, I was an RC Helicopter hobbyist. I knew lots of well known people in that industry. Then I made the mistake of starting a hobby store. It ruined the hobby for me. Eventually I sold the store but haven't flown my Heli's in years. Fortunately after 30 years of being in this hobby, it's become more of a lifestyle than anything else. Plus, if not for my computer company, I don't think I could have ever afforded this hobby. Especially my tank of which I paid for everything out of my pocket. No freebies there unfortunately. By the way, I too made a mistake on the age of my Tunze's. I just went back and checked and it's been 6 years this month since these went into my main display. Not 7.

By the way, I am sorry if I came off harsh or critical. I am truly happy your powerheads have treated you well. I mean that in the utmost sincerity. They certainly have improved them over the last few years. I can't fault you on your choice given their cost. Especially if they are proving a good one. I've followed your posts on and off and seen what you have going on from the pictures you posted in the Cerebra forum. Keep it up! Many people come and go in this hobby and I have to respect those that have stood the test of time. We may not agree on some things but we are both hobbyists who are clearly passionate about our systems and have been been around for a while. :beer:

 

[FirstContact]

Thanks Slief! That means a lot coming from you. Everyone knows your a great support for the hobby!

Happy Reefing Everyone I am calling it a night and going for a beer. :beer:

 

[slief]

Thanks Slief! That means a lot coming from you. Everyone knows your a great support for the hobby!

Happy Reefing Everyone I am calling it a night and going for a beer. :beer:

You're very welcome. I meant that sincerely! Having said that, I think I beat you to the beer! I've been enjoying mine for a little while now! :beer: Have a great evening.

 

[jda]

My 6100s have been running 24x7 for more than a decade other than the two to three times that I cleaned them. I chip layers of coraline off of them every once in a while, like the others.

I fully support international trade and competition on a level playing field. Competition makes everything better. It is the IP theft is killing the country. You won't see any ire from me about German, Polish or Chinese stuff that has it's own IP. I really am happy that you have a job that has not been hurt by this, but you are in the minority.

How can you possibly say that the Jebao Gyre is not a direct rip off of the Maxspect? Even if you are among the few that don't think that the other pumps ripped off Tunze down the wattages, impeller design, etc., then be in the minority, but how can anybody make the argument about the Gyre? If you do think that the gyre is a ripoff and you still support them, then what does that make you?

 

[windlasher]

At some point this is a reef discussion forum. How did one persons like or dislike of a product turn into a total ****ing contest? They should close this thread down so we all can just get back to our tanks.