Yes!!!!!!!!! SPS Success with Leds! Come in and Share your Story!

I've only used LEDs (AI Nano, now AI Vega Color) and I've had great success raising everything from Acans, frogspawns and zoas to deep water acros and millies. It's true in my experience that red things tend to turn more orange, however, not too bad. Ill post some pics soon as i get some updated ones, so i can show some growth.
 
hi tdb320reef,

please tell us about your LED. are those Full Spectrum dimmable version? what is the model # of your Evergrow LED?

thanks
 
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I have evergrow fixtures with 4 660's, 2 520's, 4 420's and a mix of whites 4K 6.5k and 10k and love the color that the corals reflect back. Growth and colors have been great. I noticed an improve in deep coloration with minimizing my whites / full spectrum to 20% and my blue/violet to 100%

I dont think the lack of full spectrum in your fixtures would kill the corals and would lean toward water quality but the additional LEDS do bring out certain colors.

I don't think the fixtures killed the Corals either (maybe burned at some stage) but as stated they were exhibiting extremely slow growth.....I think the phosphates built up over time until the rock couldn't hold it anymore and BOOM.....a massive problem. My phosphates were 1.09 ppm 4 months ago. I have been working diligently (almost to the point of giving up the hobby) to get them down....through water changes, siphoning the cyano on a daily basis, GFO change every week, cleaning out detrius from my sump and refugium bottom, removing 3" of rock rubble from my refugium and now incorporating an algae scrubber. I am down to .25 ppm phosphates (still unacceptable). But the focus of my question was....even when I didn't have a phosphate issue I wasn't experiencing the type of growth I desire. Do you think the color spectrum provided by my fixtures was a contributor to the lack of growth? Would increasing the spectrum resolve THAT issue or only make the corals pop more?
 
My cheap chinese LED's

My cheap chinese LED's

This is my 125g lit by 3 evergrow d120's custom LED layout for the price you can't beat em. My picture skills are lacking and I am using a crappy amera but you get the idea. In person color is amazing and growth is very good with intensity at only 25-35%




 
My tank under AI sol blues its been running for 18 months
 

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The Reefbreeders are re-branded Evergrow fixtures with a customized specturem mainly with a ton of 4K. Evergrow are my favorite LED manf. in the value category. They will do very well for your tank. Just take the transition very slow.

Hi guys,
I am setting up a new 65 gallon SPS tank. My thread just happens to be under "Lighting, Filtration, and other equipment" and the title is "Reefbreeders, Hydra52 DIY LED or Razor".
I have been in the hobby close to 30 years and have had many tanks. I do tank servicing for a living, and recently installed 2 sets of Reefbreeders Value fixtures to 2 different tanks.
Both have had excellent results with them! So, I am waiting for my new ReefBreeders Photon32 fixture to arrive. It will be going over my new 36x18x24 65 gallon tank!!! WHOOHOOOOOOO!!!!
In my honest opinion, many make them wayyyyyy too complicate on here! I own a Apogee PAR meter so I will be mapping my tank out here very soon.
The Photon32 has from 218-240 watts of output. What do you guys think???? I am thinking it's going to be a boat load of power over my tank!!!
I am pretty darn excited, and the fixture is schedualed to arrive on Friday.
You all have wonderful looking tanks! Congrats! I will be following this thread closely and asking tons of questions.
Thank you
 
I have 3 Reeftech LED fixtures....each fixture is comprised of 24 Cree XP-G white 7K, 24 Cree XP-E Royal Blue and 12 Cree XP-E Blue (total of 180 watts per fixture). I have been playing with the intensity of each color group for as long as I own them....around 2 yrs....(currently at 40% white, 75% royal blue, 70% blue). I have been able to maintain SPS but did not exhibit a noticeable amount of growth. I recently lost the majority of SPS due to high phosphate levels (which I had not been montitoring). Anyway, the question I have is: what is the consensus on color spectrum regarding thriving SPS? In other words can SPS thrive utilizing the spectrum listed above or is supplemental LED color spectrum required, (ie: 660nm..red, 500nm cyan/green and 410 to 420nm violet etc). I may have experienced non-growth due to the high phosphates but the problem may be two-fold in that the spectrum is lacking......

I have great growth with my blues and whites but the colors of the corals look better with full spectrum and I believe the corals are healthier and display increased florescence. Cant say on or the other improve growth. If you if the resources it will be worth them mod. Leds can be tricky with SPS. I bought a frag pack from watch guy that is using MH they all bleached in about 100 par and now are coming around. Id blame water quality for the loses and not the LEDS just my opinion but running at too high or low of an intensity could forsure stress the corals.
 
hi tdb320reef,

please tell us about your LED. are those Full Spectrum dimmable version? what is the model # of your Evergrow LED?

thanks

These are the Evergrow D120 value fixtures found on flebay and other similar sites. I went with the model with 4 660's and 2 520's and the mix of whites. By far the best fixture with color that I have owned thus far. I am picking up some 250 watt radium's to do some experiments on modifying one of the fixtures.
 
This is my 125g lit by 3 evergrow d120's custom LED layout for the price you can't beat em. My picture skills are lacking and I am using a crappy amera but you get the idea. In person color is amazing and growth is very good with intensity at only 25-35%






Corals and pictures look great... by far my favorite fixture in the value class.
 
My tank under AI sol blues its been running for 18 months

Awesome color. I was dealing with a guy the other day that claimed that AI sols killed his customers corals after running them on the tank for 2 years. Talking about a slow death. It was extremely funny when he said that all of the death and issues stopped when he removed the leds and put T5's over lol. Your pictures just made me laugh about his claims as he refused to accept that it probably was a water quality issue.
 
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Awesome color. I was dealing with a guy the other day that claimed that AI sols killed his customers corals after running them on the tank for 2 years. Talking about a slow death. It was extremely funny when he said that all of the death and issues stopped when he removed the leds and put T5's over lol. Your pictures just made me laugh about his claims as he refused to accept that it probably was a water quality issue.

I can accept that maybe the AI Sols didnt provide the best colour... but LED's dont kill corals...unless you have run them at such high intensity that you bleach the heck out of your corals, and continue to photo inhibit for weeks on end...then yes, like any light source, you are over saturating the corals with light.

FWIW, I visited a new LFS in a couple of weeks back. Its now my favorite LFS. Why? Because the guy has the most awesome acropora display I've seen. There are many good SPS keepers in the UK who feel the same about this guys tank. Now lets get to the point: This guy is running the AI Sols Blue over this tank. The AI Sols are flanked by 2 rows of 2 T5 tubes. I think he is using ATI Blue+ and ATI True Actinic.

The colours are amazing! I cant say whether the colours will get worse or stay the same with just LED's, but the LED's are certainly not killing the corals. :eek1:

Here are some shots I took of my buddies Radion Pro tank:
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And some LPS:
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And the FTS:
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Pretty good for someone newly into SPS and running LED's. Tank is also only about 10 months old.
 
Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and since I am new, you can take my opinion with a grain of salt.

I started this hobby just 4 months ago, I have 4 SPS now. 2 montipora, 1 acropora, and a green birdsnest. The montis started to bleach from the light when at the top of the tank, and grow like weeds mid tank. The birdsnest doubled in size in 2 months, great growth/color, and sits at the top in the middle (brightest spot) The surf n turf acro sits next to the birdsnest, and although small and new, shows signs of liking its placement/light.

Now...the big opinion. My first LED was a blue/white only and the bulbs were very concentrated, and the lenses were very narrow. I never ran them at full power, just 50%, cause I could bleach everything easy, and started to. I switched lights to a full spectrum Ocean Revive Arctic S026. Couldn't be happier with this light. It spreads the LEDs out across the whole tank, has a much wider lens, and I am able to run it at 80% of full power. I also keep it almost 12" off the surface of the tank, and I keep my tank covered with a lid. When you have a less concentrated LED bulb placement, it allows you to run your lights at a higher level. Any coral that is high up in the tank that is getting hit by a direct beam has a better chance of bleaching, hence why I chose to keep my fixture very high, and not blast at 100%. LEDs are just more powerful, and a much different light source than MH. (My experience with MH comes from a hobby other than reefing ;) ....but close)

When you run an LED, it shoots concentrated beams of light down and the water does not disperse it much. You really don't need a light meter unless you want to dial it in absolutely perfect.... I just put mine on to 75% and watched closely. If they start losing color, your lights are too bright, or certain coral is in the wrong spot. If they don't lose color, ramp it up little bits at a time until you find the sweet spot between losing color, and not enough light. Better safe than sorry, so I run mine low, and keep the fixture high, with glass in between. The glass, ability to dim, and fixture height is my safeguard against bleaching/loss of color (one in the same to me).

I might be a newb, but that seems like common sense to me. Just look at the posts and a lot of what I said is confirmed by peoples experience and comments. MH has a very very wide spread and a wide hot spot compared to LED's. Each LED is a hot spot, and spreading them out is crucial I think. The downside of course though, is that because each LED is a hot spot, my "full spectrum" light does not evenly share every spectrum with every part of the tank. I feel like that factor right there is what makes a MH fixture have a slight superiority when it comes to color/growth. With that said now, I think in the future, LEDs will take over the market and MH will be a thing of the past. Its just not perfected yet.

On another note, my LPS, softies, zoas and palys go nuts under the LED, but none can sit high in the tank. They all sit at the bottom, except a war coral in the direct middle, or if up higher, off to the sides.
 
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