$999.99

If I was a buisness, I wouldnt pass on the chance to make $1k off a single polyp fragged off a frag.

I also would definitely not take 5 single polyps off a 5 polyp frag that looked its best....easier to leave them on that plug and glue tham to another plug, giving higher chances of survival, decreasing stress....

But- as a consumer, I wouldnt spend less than I am willing to loose, just like when and if I play the lotto/gambling, on a single polyp frag.....

I try not to loose more than $40 at the casino, when and if I visit.....

If I do loose more than that much there is a problem, and there are helplines for that- but we have none of those in this hobby, so some of us are here to try and help.
 
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Wow I missed allot lol. There is no mistake here, that 1k for a polyp is steep. I will again say the frag I recently got from him looks exactly as it was pictured. I do run a bunch of XHOs on my tanks however.
 
that Fish Guy said:
How is that funny?



That is how most frags are made.



You cut one plug and attach it to another.



So he must have more.



I just don't see what the big deal is about the plug on the plug?



Please explain.
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that Fish Guy said:
You could do that put when you "Pull Away" you will most likely Tear Polyps and Kill Them.



Why do you think my goal is to argue?



I simply was curious to know what the big deal with the plug on the plug was?



I noticed it to but thought nothing of it.



You said that was "Funny"



I wondered why you thought it was funny.



Then you told me that is not how you frag so I was curious to know how you thought the proper way to frag was?



There are many ways but some are better than others.



My goal is not to argue but to understand where you are coming from.



Sorry if I offended you.
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Zoas and Palys grow so fast that losing a few when separating a rock shouldn't be a huge issue unless you are trying to drive their value up artificially. Also, you can mitigate the losses by using a scalpel to cut the tissue. Same process as using a saw to cut the mounting object during which you are likely to harm a few polyps anyway unless they are widely spaced. Every paly and zoa I have owned was fragged in this way.

Also:

"I wondered why you thought it was funny.



Then you told me that is not how you frag"

---No I did not say that.


In your first response to my offhand comment you said "that is how most frags are made"
I responded that that is not how most frags are made and that most frags are made by fragging the coral not cutting a frag plug up.

I have been keeping corals for nearly 10 years now. I have NEVER bought or sold a coral that was on a chopped up frag plug (they are small enough already). That includes soft corals of all types. So no, I don't think "most frags are made" that way.

My point, again, is that IMO he bought a frag of this coral with 5 or 6 polyps on it. Then rather than grow it out to sell sustainably he chopped the frag plug up so he could sell each "new release" polyp individually. This IMO is a harmful practice for several reasons.

Funny sad not funny haha.
 
that Fish Guy said:
OK,

How are Frags Made?

Lets say I have a Frag of a Zoanthid and I Charge $10 a polyp.

Lets say I start with 1 Polyp and let it Grow to say 5 polyps.

I could sell it for $50 for all 5 Polyps or I can cut the Plug into 5 Single Polyps for $10 each .

That is how you get the plug on the plug like the picture.

What else is there to read?

You said read the full thread.

I did.
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Dude.

For real.

Paragraph form.

No need for line break at every sentence.

Makes it real

hard

to

read.

And your point gets lost.
 
Hmmmmm, did you hear about the guy/girl who paid.....are you ready........ $ 2,425 for 2 polyps? I've given away polyps that were more vibrant then both of them.

Mucho
 
Presenting:
Solo's LE Wild Banana M. Setosa

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Only $500 per polyp. Haha
 
Tweaked said:
Wow I missed allot lol. There is no mistake here, that 1k for a polyp is steep. I will again say the frag I recently got from him looks exactly as it was pictured. I do run a bunch of XHOs on my tanks however.
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Lets see the pictures! I am curious.
 
SoloGarth said:
Zoas and Palys grow so fast that losing a few when separating a rock shouldn't be a huge issue unless you are trying to drive their value up artificially. Also, you can mitigate the losses by using a scalpel to cut the tissue. Same process as using a saw to cut the mounting object during which you are likely to harm a few polyps anyway unless they are widely spaced. Every paly and zoa I have owned was fragged in this way.

Also:

"I wondered why you thought it was funny.



Then you told me that is not how you frag"

---No I did not say that.


In your first response to my offhand comment you said "that is how most frags are made"
I responded that that is not how most frags are made and that most frags are made by fragging the coral not cutting a frag plug up.

I have been keeping corals for nearly 10 years now. I have NEVER bought or sold a coral that was on a chopped up frag plug (they are small enough already). That includes soft corals of all types. So no, I don't think "most frags are made" that way.

My point, again, is that IMO he bought a frag of this coral with 5 or 6 polyps on it. Then rather than grow it out to sell sustainably he chopped the frag plug up so he could sell each "new release" polyp individually. This IMO is a harmful practice for several reasons.

Funny sad not funny haha.
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I see your point on funny now.

Guess we see fragging differently.

I am obsessed with frag swaps.

I go to anywhere between 12 to 18 frag swaps a year.

It seems everybody cuts frags and remounts them onto new plugs.

Maybe you do not go to frag swaps and get your corals other ways.

In my experience most everyone does it the way that I mentioned which is the same as the way Cornbred and other Online Vendors do it.
 
Rx79394 said:
Lets see the pictures! I am curious.
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Like I said, read the reviews. Every person likes what they got? I picked up the Oompa Loompa polyps cause I just had to have them for our group, but I don't need to prove they came in hot, they just are. I looked else where, and could only find them from CB. Was my first order, but myself and others in the group are now considering some other items.
 
that Fish Guy said:
I see your point on funny now.

Guess we see fragging differently.

I am obsessed with frag swaps.

I go to anywhere between 12 to 18 frag swaps a year.

It seems everybody cuts frags and remounts them onto new plugs.

Maybe you do not go to frag swaps and get your corals other ways.

In my experience most everyone does it the way that I mentioned which is the same as the way Cornbred and other Online Vendors do it.
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I get most of my corals from other hobbyists. I admit it has been a few years since I have purchased or traded for any soft corals though. Still it bothers me a bit to hear that fragging up frags is common practice. Any way to make a quick buck I guess.
 
There are collectors at all levels and some are apparently willing to pay high-end prices for these types of corals. It's like wine. You have some who only buy the high-end wines because they are getting something out of it, perceived or otherwise. Me, I'm happy with my good value bottle of wine that tastes high-end but doesn't come with the price.
 
$999.99

reefrobster said:
There are collectors at all levels and some are apparently willing to pay high-end prices for these types of corals. It's like wine. You have some who only buy the that high-end wines becausea they are getting something out of it, perceived or otherwise. Me, I'm happy with my good value bottle of wine that tastes high-end but doesn't come with the price.
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Yes to me though there is a huge glaring difference.

Wine and other products are just that: Products. Someone spent time, money and skill creating them. Corals are not products. The only thing these "high end" sellers have is a supplier that is likely pulling more corals from the ocean (helping them keep the coral "limited edition"). They have not done anything to create the coral and yet slap their name on it and jack up the price.
 
+1 with SoloGarth,Like purple hornets,they were really high a few years ago and now you can't hardly give them away.Just wish people stop throwing on a name and then charge a high price.
 
Photoshopping aside (=false advertising), the free market is a wonderful thing...the polyp is worth whatever some one is prepared to pay. Clearly if it doesn't sell then he over-priced it and will have to reduce to a point where someone agrees on the value and is willing to buy. If someone buys it at $1k, then perhaps he could have sold it for more ?

Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $20-30 for a single polyp, but that's just me. Others are obviously different.
 
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spjames said:
Photoshopping aside (=false advertising), the free market is a wonderful thing...the polyp is worth whatever some one is prepared to pay. Clearly if it doesn't sell then he over-priced it and will have to reduce to a point where someone agrees on the value and is willing to buy. If someone buys it at $1k, then perhaps he could have sold it for more ?

Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $20-30 for a single polyp, but that's just me. Others are obviously different.
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That is a good point. Although I still feel strongly against this practice as we deal in live animals that are best served by being spread around and thus increasing their long term survivability in captivity. In addition I think the drive to find new color morphs to sell at exorbitant prices promotes wild caught specimens over aquacultured ones.

Compare cornbread to ORA. ORA as far as I know doesn't sell any particular frag for more than $100. They continue to grow and propagate their corals. Prices can only be as high as cornbread sets them when supply is extremely limited which makes it impossible to maintain as these items naturally reproduce.
 
SoloGarth said:
That is a good point. Although I still feel strongly against this practice as we deal in live animals that are best served by being spread around and thus increasing their long term survivability in captivity. In addition I think the drive to find new color morphs to sell at exorbitant prices promotes wild caught specimens over aquacultured ones.

Compare cornbread to ORA. ORA as far as I know doesn't sell any particular frag for more than $100. They continue to grow and propagate their corals. Prices can only be as high as cornbread sets them when supply is extremely limited which makes it impossible to maintain as these items naturally reproduce.
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agreed. if anything the price should represent a challenge such as how difficult it is to collect the coral. unfortunately there will always be a place for people to bank on others poor decision making. all you can do is not be that guy!
 
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