Anyone tried the Coralvue Reeflux 10k bulbs?
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7053298#post7053298 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Hal
As for reettanksupply raising their prices. Nuts. I was going to buy from them, but now that they've raised their prices I'll buy from another vendor that I do most of my business with. Unless they'd care to drop their prices. . .
I heard it was because CoralVue has new MAP that ReefTankSupply.com was selling under and anybody selling under the MAP CoralVue will not warranty the product at all. Basically protecting customers from what they told me. ReefTankSupply does have a pricematch/beat program that I have been looking into though, to see what the'll do on a set of these.
limbo1001001
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I just fired mine up about 4 days ago, on an Icecap ballast. It is burning a little pink.
For those of you who had pink "burn-in" bulbs, how long did it take for the pink to subside? Or did it?
Thanks,
Jim
For those of you who had pink "burn-in" bulbs, how long did it take for the pink to subside? Or did it?
Thanks,
Jim
limbo1001001
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Onthefly,...you read my mind at the same time I was posting...LOL
Jim
Jim
smoknreefrs
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I just fired mine up, and they are burning a little pink. But, I tell yah, they are making the tips of all my acro look great.
For those that have burned theirs in already, what colors will they bring out and which will I lose, how long before the lamps burned in nicely, and how long do you run them for per day.
For those that have burned theirs in already, what colors will they bring out and which will I lose, how long before the lamps burned in nicely, and how long do you run them for per day.
fishnugget
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400Watt to 250watt
400Watt to 250watt
Thinking of converting from 400watt Hamiltons-yellowish, to 250watt Reeflux 10k. Currently running Mag 59 ballast. Thinking of going with IC HQI.
Results looking for: Whiter light. More pop to colors. Tank is 29 " deep. Bulbs 12" above tank. Tank currently heats too much. Washes out corals. have URI Super actinics as supplements . Have PFO Refflectors.
You guys really know your stuff. Tried to undersatnd par etc from Sanja chart. Have no idea what it means.
Also, I noticed that some bulbs are shorter and some longer. IMy current Hamilton 10k 400watt are @ 10.5 inches long. I can't have longer bulbs.
Will I get results I am looking for?
Need help.
400Watt to 250watt
Thinking of converting from 400watt Hamiltons-yellowish, to 250watt Reeflux 10k. Currently running Mag 59 ballast. Thinking of going with IC HQI.
Results looking for: Whiter light. More pop to colors. Tank is 29 " deep. Bulbs 12" above tank. Tank currently heats too much. Washes out corals. have URI Super actinics as supplements . Have PFO Refflectors.
You guys really know your stuff. Tried to undersatnd par etc from Sanja chart. Have no idea what it means.
Also, I noticed that some bulbs are shorter and some longer. IMy current Hamilton 10k 400watt are @ 10.5 inches long. I can't have longer bulbs.
Will I get results I am looking for?
Need help.
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ReeferMonkey
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Re: 400Watt to 250watt
Re: 400Watt to 250watt
I would definitely recommend an e-ballast for the Reeflux bulbs. I don't know what you're talking about - an IC HQI - IceCap doesn't make an HQI ballst as far as I know.
The Reeflux should definitely be whiter and pop your colors more. I saw an increase in blue coloration within a week of switching over. If you downsize to 250W you should see some reduction in temperature.
Re: 400Watt to 250watt
I would definitely recommend an e-ballast for the Reeflux bulbs. I don't know what you're talking about - an IC HQI - IceCap doesn't make an HQI ballst as far as I know.
The Reeflux should definitely be whiter and pop your colors more. I saw an increase in blue coloration within a week of switching over. If you downsize to 250W you should see some reduction in temperature.
fishnugget
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Eballast
Eballast
Icap makes a combo E HQI. where is best place to get these bulbs?
Eballast
Icap makes a combo E HQI. where is best place to get these bulbs?
ReeferMonkey
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Re: Eballast
Re: Eballast
There's some misconception floating around about the IC ballast. IceCap makes an electronic MH ballast that can run both single end (aka mogul base) or double end (aka HQI) bulbs. An HQI ballast is a type of magnetic ballast (M80) that overdrives bulbs, typically to the tune of 15%-25%.
If you look at Sanjay's data, you can see that the input W for HQI ballasts are all much higher than what the ballasts are rated for - a 250W HQI ballast will run around 300-325W, while a 400W HQI ballast will run close to or over 500W. By comparison, e-ballasts are much more accurate in their predicted W consumption.
The whole HQI nomenclature is a bit flawed. It comes from High Quartz Iodide which, as I understand it, is the composition of a particular proprietary brand of bulbs (that I'm not sure are even fabricated any more). It's clearer (for me, anyway) to refer to bulbs as either SE vs. DE and ballasts as M58, M80, electronic, etc.
Hope that helps. If I've mixed up any facts, please feel free to correct me. There is (was?) a stickied thread in Lighting/Equipment that explained all the ballast/bulb stuff in MUCH greater detail than I am able to.
Re: Eballast
There's some misconception floating around about the IC ballast. IceCap makes an electronic MH ballast that can run both single end (aka mogul base) or double end (aka HQI) bulbs. An HQI ballast is a type of magnetic ballast (M80) that overdrives bulbs, typically to the tune of 15%-25%.
If you look at Sanjay's data, you can see that the input W for HQI ballasts are all much higher than what the ballasts are rated for - a 250W HQI ballast will run around 300-325W, while a 400W HQI ballast will run close to or over 500W. By comparison, e-ballasts are much more accurate in their predicted W consumption.
The whole HQI nomenclature is a bit flawed. It comes from High Quartz Iodide which, as I understand it, is the composition of a particular proprietary brand of bulbs (that I'm not sure are even fabricated any more). It's clearer (for me, anyway) to refer to bulbs as either SE vs. DE and ballasts as M58, M80, electronic, etc.
Hope that helps. If I've mixed up any facts, please feel free to correct me. There is (was?) a stickied thread in Lighting/Equipment that explained all the ballast/bulb stuff in MUCH greater detail than I am able to.
mwood
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Re: Re: Eballast
Re: Re: Eballast
That was a very good clarification. One detail, there is no true 400w HQI ballast. What is usually associated with a 400w HQI is a Son Agro 430w HPS ballast. PFO makes a 400w HQI which pushes bulbs close to 500w, but most PFO ballasts overdrive bulbs. Sanjays tests show that.
Now back to reeflux bulbs. Anyone have pics of the reeflux 10k compared to an xm 10k?
Re: Re: Eballast
That was a very good clarification. One detail, there is no true 400w HQI ballast. What is usually associated with a 400w HQI is a Son Agro 430w HPS ballast. PFO makes a 400w HQI which pushes bulbs close to 500w, but most PFO ballasts overdrive bulbs. Sanjays tests show that.
Now back to reeflux bulbs. Anyone have pics of the reeflux 10k compared to an xm 10k?
kwl1763
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OK here is the lighting setup for my new 450 SPS tank.
So far I have: 3 Lumen-Max reflectors and socket, 2 PFO 250W DE pendants with PFO HQI ballasts, so I'm not committed as to Wattage (even though I'm pretty set on 250W since the tank is only 25" deep) and I'm total open on the bulb side.
My original idea was to get some 20k XM DE bulbs in the PFOs and run 10k XMs SE in the Lumen-Max's and then have 4 5 ft actinic VHOs doing the blue effect.
I really really like the way the new Reeflux 10k bulbs look though! The problem I can't get over though is the PAR is very significantly lower then the XM.
XM vs Reeflux Graph
So I think I could run the 10k reeflux and the 20k DE with no VHOs and would be real nice color wise. but not so great PAR wise.
Other option is to do what I originally planned and forget the reeflux.
Other option would be to run the Reeflux on the SE then put 10k XMs in the 250DE and double up on the actinics. This would get me my lost PAR but not sure on the looks.
Or I could just run all Reeflux with VHO
Opinions? Talk me down from my PAR perch!!
So far I have: 3 Lumen-Max reflectors and socket, 2 PFO 250W DE pendants with PFO HQI ballasts, so I'm not committed as to Wattage (even though I'm pretty set on 250W since the tank is only 25" deep) and I'm total open on the bulb side.
My original idea was to get some 20k XM DE bulbs in the PFOs and run 10k XMs SE in the Lumen-Max's and then have 4 5 ft actinic VHOs doing the blue effect.
I really really like the way the new Reeflux 10k bulbs look though! The problem I can't get over though is the PAR is very significantly lower then the XM.
XM vs Reeflux Graph
So I think I could run the 10k reeflux and the 20k DE with no VHOs and would be real nice color wise. but not so great PAR wise.
Other option is to do what I originally planned and forget the reeflux.
Other option would be to run the Reeflux on the SE then put 10k XMs in the 250DE and double up on the actinics. This would get me my lost PAR but not sure on the looks.
Or I could just run all Reeflux with VHO
Opinions? Talk me down from my PAR perch!!
mwood
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XM10k's have another strength, high output in the violet range. If you look at your graph, the xm10k has far higher output in the less than 440 range. I would be curious if this has a sps coloration benefit. Good bulb to compliment a 20k lamp.
PS, Mike Palletta came to speak at our reef club meeting and showed interesting evidence related to the impact of good par (from the correct spectrum) on sps coloration.
PS, Mike Palletta came to speak at our reef club meeting and showed interesting evidence related to the impact of good par (from the correct spectrum) on sps coloration.
Yodeling
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Ok here's my experience with the Reeflux bulbs on my mag ballast. As always, please note that your ballast may yield different results.
Despite some negative testimonies by magnetic ballast users, I decided to try the Reeflux 10k lamps. To my dissapointment, they had a yellow/pink hue that was just unbearable! Even with my VHOs (URI superactinics). In my eyes, they looked much worse than my XM10ks.
I decided not to give up on Reeflux and give the 12k's a try. Well my Reeflux 12k's just came in, and I LOVE THEM!!! Best bulbs I've tried so far. They're definitely BLUE!!, but not too blue, just right in my eyes. The thing that I like the most is the fact that unlike other blue bulbs I've tried, these don't mute the colors at all. Everything really pops. They're nice and bright too.
I will post an update once they burn in!
Despite some negative testimonies by magnetic ballast users, I decided to try the Reeflux 10k lamps. To my dissapointment, they had a yellow/pink hue that was just unbearable! Even with my VHOs (URI superactinics). In my eyes, they looked much worse than my XM10ks.
I decided not to give up on Reeflux and give the 12k's a try. Well my Reeflux 12k's just came in, and I LOVE THEM!!! Best bulbs I've tried so far. They're definitely BLUE!!, but not too blue, just right in my eyes. The thing that I like the most is the fact that unlike other blue bulbs I've tried, these don't mute the colors at all. Everything really pops. They're nice and bright too.
I will post an update once they burn in!
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Johnsteph10
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I have 400w mag ballasts.
I got 3 of the 10k - I love them! Crisp white light with just a hint of blue. I think they look even better than XM10k which I used for years, although not quite as bright.
I got 3 of the 10k - I love them! Crisp white light with just a hint of blue. I think they look even better than XM10k which I used for years, although not quite as bright.
gil716
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For those that are still seeing a pinkish color with their SE bulbs, u might want to try this. Last night, I heard a high pitched hum emanating from the 250w SE 10k Rflx. I backed the bulb out about 1/4" and BAM, the color went from white/pink to bright white. My DE 10k (running on HQI) still shows more blue, but they're much more similar in color now.
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