Gill_bucket
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I love how specific is "around Indonesia and micronesia" LOL
I'm trying to find a nice way of saying that's an outright lie, but... that's an outright lie. Dynamite creates a shockwave that kills fish almost instantly, it's why they use it for fishing, and collectors do not and will never use it. It's like saying someone harvests strawberries with a lawnmower. Collectors get paid for the live fish they bring back, so why you'd feel a need to make something like that up is beyond me.
believe what you wish, i was just trying to tell a story. you say that dynamite kills fish instantly but they used it, and it worked. i dont know if it was ordinary dynamite it would stun the fish for several minutes then they would snap out of it. and trust me, im just as old as you guys.
We're also the ones that are sitting still while oil companies enjoy some of the highest profits in history and consumer gas prices rise to astronomical levels. It's not the Phillipines that refused to even consider cutting billions of dollars of taxpayer incentives currently given to American oil companies...that would our US Senate (well, the Republicans anyway) that did that.
I'm trying to find a nice way of saying that's an outright lie, but... that's an outright lie. Dynamite creates a shockwave that kills fish almost instantly, it's why they use it for fishing, and collectors do not and will never use it. It's like saying someone harvests strawberries with a lawnmower. Collectors get paid for the live fish they bring back, so why you'd feel a need to make something like that up is beyond me.
Also, "pet" and "co" do not own collection stations, and as a result don't have specific collectors. The only plausible part to your story is that, at some point in time in your life, you were on a boat.
This post is very far off base. Oil companies make less profit per item than most every other type of company in the world. They rely on quantity which we give them. Do a little research before you talk about their profits. I'm not saying they didn't make a ton of money, but the reason they did was quantity, not price gouging. And no I don't work for any oil company, I just know business acumen.
What is the difference between an ornamental fish and a food fish?
One is generally considered a pet, along with all the emotional attachments that come with that status. The other is simply considered dinner![]()
This is exactly my point. Maybe we should step off our holier-than-thou platforms and not get so bent out of shape. Again, I don't want to see fish die unnecessarily but I think any attempt to remove something from its native environment and to ship it around the world will result in some die-off. And they're just fish.
That sickens me. My mom needs to see that post so that she doesn't say "don't buy online! Buy local!"I have worked at the LFS for over 15 years and wanted to share an experience I had at the largest fish wholesaler in the Chicagoland area in order to inform people on how fish are shipped. My coworker and I had gone to the wholesaler to pick out stock for the store. This is a warehouse-sized facility and we had finished and were waiting for our stock to be bagged, boxed and billed. As we were waiting the workers started wheeling out all these 30-50 gallon garbage cans into the aisles of holding tanks (2-3 cans per aisle). Then stacks of boxes were wheeled in. The workers opened the boxes and started sorting through them. With great speed they threw the bags of dead fish in the garbage and the live ones in the tanks. Most of the bags contained so little water the fish were swimming on their sides (water is heavy and costs a lot to ship). We were shocked that they would toss powder blue tangs and emperor angels into tanks like they were little beach balls. But the really horrifying part was how many bags of fish were immediately thrown into the garbage. Well over half the fish (enough to stock a second warehouse) were DOA. By the end, the garbage cans were full with dead saltwater fish. This was clearly just part of their routine. We were not supposed to be in there when they got their shipment in and the owner was livid that we saw this. I am still horrified that I am part of the reason this happens.
????? not sure how you interpreted that post...IMO...many online places get their fish thru the same importers as LFS use.That sickens me. My mom needs to see that post so that she doesn't say "don't buy online! Buy local!"
Personally I don't eat commercial fish nor buy from crappy LFS/wholesalers, but even if I ate commercial fish, it still wouldn't make a valid excuse for destroying resources elsewhere.
Your logic taken further says that an arsonist burning down a forest is ok, because trees were killed in the making of your home.
Many commercial fisherman at least within the US are coming to realize that maintaining the fisheries is not just good for the environment, but also their livelihood. When, it comes to dollar figures fishing in a sustainable way means they have a job for themselves as well as possibly their children. The fishing regulations as what can be caught, when and how many is fairly stringent now, and if you are found in violation you get a heavy fine. So talking money, the fisherman has come to understand. I know similar regulations exists in most western/more modern countries. I am not sure there is any meaningful regulation in developing nations.
So you don't eat any fish or only the one you catch yourself? Not being adversarial just interested in your personal practice. Catching my own fish is prohibitively expensive for me so I choose to buy fish from the fish market or grocery store.
And your ending paragraph is not a valid analogy. One use is constructive, the other is intentionally destructive.
Here's a secret: it's no longer the Americans who are depleting world fish stocks.