Excess Chloride - Effects on Calcification?

Nano sapiens

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Is anyone aware of any scientific studies that have been done on the effects of excess chloride/chlorinity on the calcification process in the reef aquarium?

Per a thread on a different site we are trying to determine if there is a possible correlation between excess chloride above and beyond NSW levels and poor coral and/or coralline algae growth.

This might be one for Randy H-F to address, but I'm not sure if he posts here anymore?
 
Randy seems to be on vacation. What range of chloride concentrations are you considering? I doubt that there's much, if any, data directly on the subject.
 
I'm not aware of any . It would take alot to change the ratio , in a reef tank given that chloride is 54% of the tolal in weight at 1900ppm.
 
If someone were to use calcium chloride (as opposed to calcium hydroxide or calcium oxide) then over time the chlorinity will rise since the balance of sodium/chlorine ratio will be off. The question raised is what would be the effect of this ionic imbalance on calcification rates? If the balance is off by a good amount then would this negatively effect coral and coralline algae growth? I have been unable to find any solid scientific study on this topic, but it *may* possibly be a factor in why some aquaria show slow to non-existent growth of calcifying organisms even though all standard parameters are within accepted ranges.
 
If the system gets regular water changes, the ionic shift tends to be minimal, and I doubt it's an issue for such systems.
 
If the system gets regular water changes, the ionic shift tends to be minimal, and I doubt it's an issue for such systems.

I agree that in most systems with sufficient WCs using a good salt mix, the ionic balance shift would be slow. But, what about a tank that doesn't have frequent or large WCs and is using calcium chloride exclusively?
 
Over time, that might cause problems. I'd expect problems in any case, though, if the tank doesn't get water changes.
 
I have been unable to find any solid scientific study on this topic,

I wouldn't expect to find any, and wouldn't hold my breath on any happening. It's just not a real world (i.e. the ocean) problem, and any aquaculture or research labs are usually doing lots of water changes, with NSW or salt mix, that will negate any such issues.
 
I would also point out that it is impossible to raise the concentration of chloride alone -- you also raise the concentration of a conjugate cation. In the case of the two part example, your sodium goes up an equal amount in molar concentration. The result is that you see a rise in salinity over time, prompting a water change, much before you see a substantially increased chloride concentration.

The alternative would be to take out a portion of the saltwater and replace it with RO/DI to lower the salinity back, which over time would cause a decrease in calcium and alkalinity and an increase in sodium and chloride (you are essentially letting your corals take out the calcium and carbonate, and you are adding sodium chloride in its place). We know the effects of low calcium and low alkalinity, and yes that would inhibit calcification.

Also, as was already pointed out by Tom, chloride represents such an overwhelming portion of the anions in saltwater that there really isn't a ton of wiggle room to increase it, and even if you did it wouldn't be by a ton. Indeed, by definition you'd have to cut into your other anions to maintain a constant salinity and increase chloride, meaning you'd be cutting into things like bicarbonate/carbonate, borate (your buffering compounds), a bit of sulfate, a little fluoride and bromide, and I'm sure some other anions that represent a very small portion of total salts.

The point is, you can't increase chloride without decreasing or otherwise affecting other things, and we know that many of these resultant changes inhibit calcification (like lowering your calcium and alkalinity for example). So even in theory it is not possible to test the affect of increased chloride as it is not possible to increase it substantially without effecting other variables known to affect calcification.
 
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