Jebao Cross Flow Pump

REEFCHITOWN said:
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I don't think that's why people say they are cheaply manufactured, I'd say it's the (at least historically, not going to comment on their newer lines, they haven't been out long enough really) fail rate within 2 years being ridiculously high when compared with say a Tunze which can handle far more neglect and still function 10 years later.

When you have a bad history from poor quality it takes time to lose that reputation, I mean look at the various asian car brands, years ago they were all considered cheap crap boxes but most have changed their reputation from that. It's the same thing happening with the Maxspect Gyre, they released it too soon with faults that were too common that it's hard to believe they weren't encountered before release, while they've fixed them fairly quickly there's still a fair bit of apprehension from people about whether they should or shouldn't get one because of that legacy.

I think the concept of gyre flow is decent in certain set ups, there's a niche there, but I don't know if I'd trust either option over DIY set ups at this point.
 
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REEFCHITOWN said:
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you figured out the cost to build a radion, but you didn't include the cost of employing, warrenties, tech support, R&D, ect all that adds way up. jebao can of course sell items for far less as they don't have half the stuff that add's up in price and uses cheaper parts. (for instance if I didn't clean my jebao ever few weeks the flow would pretty much be non exastant even though they looked perfectly clean but had a slime buildup in the magnet, my tunze goes over a year without being cleaned and flow doesnt drop at all or very little)

jebao has been around longer than 2013 makeing other items for freshwater items. and even sence the time you have been a member here it's only been telling other to buy jebao items as stated that could shilling ng on how you look at it, other than reccomending others to buy jebao products you havely contrubited to the community. I'm not saying you work for jebao or not, could care less. it is everyone here to put their experiances out there for others to decide what they want to buy.

I bought 4 jebao products and used 2 mainly that failed in 6 months, to me I will not keep buying new ones all the time if they arn't reliable in my experiance. when I first got the pumps I ran them in a bucket to test, the water turned a yellowish color (still not sure what caused that but others also had the same experiance)

now my tunze's have ran for 11 years and have only had to replace the props once on them. if they ever do die tunze will let me send in the old ones and give me a discount on new one's. That type of CS is worth alot to me.


on a side note does anyone know why jebao changed their name to jeocide or however you spell it?
 
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Protoavis said:
I don't think that's why people say they are cheaply manufactured, I'd say it's the (at least historically, not going to comment on their newer lines, they haven't been out long enough really) fail rate within 2 years being ridiculously high when compared with say a Tunze which can handle far more neglect and still function 10 years later.

When you have a bad history from poor quality it takes time to lose that reputation, I mean look at the various asian car brands, years ago they were all considered cheap crap boxes but most have changed their reputation from that. It's the same thing happening with the Maxspect Gyre, they released it too soon with faults that were too common that it's hard to believe they weren't encountered before release, while they've fixed them fairly quickly there's still a fair bit of apprehension from people about whether they should or shouldn't get one because of that legacy.

I think the concept of gyre flow is decent in certain set ups, there's a niche there, but I don't know if I'd trust either option over DIY set ups at this point.
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I agree, this goes for any equipment for me wether it is a tv, microwave, ect. their are certain brands I still won't buy even though I have heard their products are much better now.
 
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You are too obvious . If you are a fan of jebao it's fine, you are free to like what ever you want. However your shilling for fish street is easy to see as you can get these products from other sources yet you fail to mention them. Reed breeders has many of these products with top notch reviews of customer service and is a supporter of this site.
You can also get these items from Amazon, eBay and other online stores. I'm sure you may come back and say that people could buy them wherever they want but that's only after you are busted. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread and in my own experience, fish street pays people for good reviews. You are one of those people.
PS I have bought from fish street before and still use some of the equipment. I don't have anything against them specifically. I'm just pointing out that people should take your "experience" with three cups of salt
 
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Jebao products are what this hobby needs. I have had Jebao power heads in my tanks since I started this hobby and the first one I bought with the old style controller still runs perfectly. No, I haven't cleaned the RW I have had in my tank for at least a year and it has not lost any flow at all. Competition drives prices down. Yes there are prices for marketing, customer service centers yadayada. However, if you honestly think $600 for a POWERHEAD is a fair price your head is in a certain crevice I will not name for fear of moderators. This hobby could use all the new interest it can get and the fact that it currently costs around 1,200 to set up a basic tank is a huge hurdle for newcomers. People go out and buy their $600 power heads then come on message boards and claim the budget friendly ones are trash. I have tried out budget products for this hobby that turned out to be junk. The Jebao product line does not happen to be one of them. Never had a single problem with anything I've received.
 
dustinkimpel said:
Jebao products are what this hobby needs. I have had Jebao power heads in my tanks since I started this hobby and the first one I bought with the old style controller still runs perfectly. No, I haven't cleaned the RW I have had in my tank for at least a year and it has not lost any flow at all. Competition drives prices down. Yes there are prices for marketing, customer service centers yadayada. However, if you honestly think $600 for a POWERHEAD is a fair price your head is in a certain crevice I will not name for fear of moderators. This hobby could use all the new interest it can get and the fact that it currently costs around 1,200 to set up a basic tank is a huge hurdle for newcomers. People go out and buy their $600 power heads then come on message boards and claim the budget friendly ones are trash. I have tried out budget products for this hobby that turned out to be junk. The Jebao product line does not happen to be one of them. Never had a single problem with anything I've received.
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I like Jebao products, but give your RW a good clean and vinegar bath. I bet you'll be surprised how much stronger it is after.
 
Heh, what this hobby needs, huh?

Maybe if they could innovate on their own and keep their prices if agree with you. But the fact that they have to steal ideas from others to be in business is disgusting.

I work for a large company that has its ideas stolen nearly as soon as the innovation is released, so I guess I'm biased.
 
How many of the power heads out there could truly be called innovative before Ecotech came around? Why weren't people crying foul back when everyone just made pumps that you plugged in, and they moved water? They were doing the same thing then. I don't even see the RW series as being a copy. Everything on it looks pretty original, though the front half of the pump somewhat resembles an Ecotech pump. The WP series looked exactly like a Tunze, but, and I could be wrong here, I don't recall Tunze having that sort of programmability back then.

That being said, they're definitely copying this round. I suppose it all comes down to the patents, which no one seems to be sure of.
 
Your correct, i dont think the rw's are copies of anything but i do agree it does look like the vortech front, but thats not copying.

Yes the wp series was a direct rip off from tunze, and they did have the programability with their pumps useing a 7095 or 7096 controller.

But actually tunze is the invertor of powerheads.
 
shifty51008 said:
Your correct, i dont think the rw's are copies of anything but i do agree it does look like the vortech front, but thats not copying.

Yes the wp series was a direct rip off from tunze, and they did have the programability with their pumps useing a 7095 or 7096 controller.

But actually tunze is the invertor of powerheads.
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Ah, well fair enough then. I remember always hearing about the wp series being a copy of Ecotech pumps, which I never really understood other than the programmable functions. I thought programmability came to Tunze recently. I actually learned they had programmable pumps through this thread.
 
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