Leopard Wrasse Primer

[iamwrasseman]

6/11ish female bipartitus
2/2 male bipartitus
0/8 choati had a couple past a month but not to much longer,most perished in a week or less
3/3 ornate
0/0 potters cant find but i them need a few !
5/8meleagris
4/6 Macropharyngodon negrosensis " black leopard"
1/1Halichoeres lapillus
2/4 Anampses twistii red sea yellow chest twister wrasse
0/3 male Halichoeres rubricephalus never made it past a week
1/2 Macropharyngodon cyanoguttatus and the one that lived jumped after a few months
1/1 tinfoil leopard wrasse ,not a real leopard but looks like it ,pretty colors
1/1 Macropharyngodon Kuiteri another jumper
2/4 Anampses meleagrides
2/3 Anampses caeruleopunctatus blue spotted tamrin wrasse
2/2 Anampses chrysocephalus
0 Anampses femininus on wish list cant find any and dont know if i can afford one either

thats 32 for 58 and i feel im doing well for how delicate they all are

went a little out of bounds but i kinda consider the tamrins leopards even though they are not they have very similar body shapes and markings .
all leopards are tough and many of my losses came before i introduced them directly into DT and they just wont make it through the QT process in my experiences .since no QT i have been batting near 1000 except for the choati leopards but i have some valuable insight to what i did wrong so they will get their own very large dedicated pod filled tank and I'm crossing my fingers on that .

 

[snorvich]

Great list Dave. Very, very helpful. Anampses are very similar to leopards in that they take roughly the same environment. I have not tried one yet.

 

[Dizzle63]

How long have some of your leopards taken to come out of the sand? I added two potters on Saturday after seeing them eat and checking for any discolorations, red areas, or other damage. I added them and they immediately went into the sand and haven't been out since. Anyone have some that take this long?

 

[snorvich]

How long have some of your leopards taken to come out of the sand? I added two potters on Saturday after seeing them eat and checking for any discolorations, red areas, or other damage. I added them and they immediately went into the sand and haven't been out since. Anyone have some that take this long?

It could take that long. My "good ones" did not.

 

[iamwrasseman]

usually a couple of days but i have had a few that i had given up on and then they just appeared weeks later . thats why i always say let nature take its corse and leave them alone .

 

[Tylt33]

How long have some of your leopards taken to come out of the sand? I added two potters on Saturday after seeing them eat and checking for any discolorations, red areas, or other damage. I added them and they immediately went into the sand and haven't been out since. Anyone have some that take this long?

The first leopard I ever purchased disappeared for five days before coming out... I still have him he's beautiful.

 

[Dizzle63]

One leopard cane out today long enough to snag some PE mysis before I went to work. I am looking for some prazipro locally as well.

 

[iamwrasseman]

yes get some asap and get a dose in the tank to help them out . the parasites are internal and the fish can eat and starve at the same time so help him out . good luck

 

[tibob32]

would garlic work for treating them for parasites? Like thera a+ (assuming you can get them to eat it obviously)

 

[Tylt33]

would garlic work for treating them for parasites? Like thera a+ (assuming you can get them to eat it obviously)

It won't kill the parasites, but will probably keep your fish healthier...

 

[iamwrasseman]

i second that ,the garlic wont even hurt the parasites but may help the immune system and also induce feeding frenzies as thats what it is used for . the prazi pro has paraziquel and that kills many different parasites but not all . dr fosters sells it and you can get some by the weekend if you order asap .

 

[Matt G]

Interesting reading on the success rates above, nice to see some good honest information.

Now my turn.

To say I am a little hacked off with myself and the tank is an understatement! I have lost both the new potters. To make matters worse, I have also lost the old potters which I have had for about a year and the choati which I had for about 15 months.

I found both the choati and the old potters, neither were showing signs of anything. I am kicking myself as maybe I should have been happy with the 4 I had.

Obviously apart from adding the 2 new potters I had not change anything, except, I started to defrost the food in new era liposome spray. Made sure I rinsed the food after soaking. I dont think it was that, they must have got something from the new potters. If they got worms I would have thought they would have lasted longer and started to lose weight. On Saturday I noticed the potters acting differently, hanging out under the rock in the shade when normally it would be out in the open. When I feed the tank it showed no interested in the food, next day it was dead, that quick. Exactly the same happened to the choati.

Scratching my head on this one. Hopefully my leopard and peacock will survive, they look okay this morning (touch wood). Going to take sometime to decide on if I will replace them or not.

 

[snorvich]

... EDit . . . except, I started to defrost the food in new era liposome spray.

.../end edit

I would certainly discontinue this immediately as all variables are suspect (I did Google it) as I do think it is too early for your new fish to have affected the old ones.

 

[Matt G]

... EDit . . . except, I started to defrost the food in new era liposome spray.

.../end edit

What is this and why do you use it? I would certainly discontinue this immediately

I thought it would be beneficial to the new fish. New Era are well thought of in the UK as a manufacturer of balanced diets for fish. This spray enhances the nutritional profile of frozen food.

Here a link to some info

http://www.new-era-aquaculture.com/infosheets/nea-marine.pdf (hope a link is okay)

I have stopped using it at the moment. I am going to ask the fish expert on a UK board if he has any thoughts on it being a contributing factor to the quick demise, although I don't think it will be.

Have to agree with your modified post, I do also think it is too early for the new to have affected the old, which is why I am scratching my head.

 

[snorvich]

Yes, I know what it does, I am just looking for ANY variable that might be different. Generally when problems arise, looking for what has changed is beneficial. In your case, I think that the new fish introduction could not have the effects seen that quickly. Is there any contaminant that could have been introduced?

 

[Matt G]

Ah okay, thanks - Nothing that could have been introduced that I can think of, everyone is very aware of what to do and not do around the tank. The new fish and the liposome spray are the only changes. If it was something more generic I would have thought the achilles would have been one of the first to show issues.

Water params are normal, corals all fine, nothing different in maintenance. That's why I am stumped. The liposome spray was also only added to about 5 feeds at the most, only added in the evening, didn't have time in the mornings.

 

[snorvich]

Matt, I am simply guessing with the information supplied.

 

[Tylt33]

I think you guys are on the right track for this- for the new fish to have parasites that would be passed on that quickly and would kill your fish that quickly- they'd have to be some nasty nasty parasites. The deaths are of course just correlational with the liposome spray, but snorvich is right, that's the only thing that has changed.

The other problem is, you may have been one of the first people in the world to ever give it to leopard wrasse specifically. They're a pretty rare fish in relation to all the other fish out there. Even New Era may not have tested their products on leopards.

Sorry to hear about your loss, don't give up, you'll get through this!

 

[Matt G]

Matt, I am simply guessing with the information supplied.

Yeah I understand, hope I didn't come across as stroppy, I wasn't trying to be. I am thankful for the ideas.

I think you guys are on the right track for this- for the new fish to have parasites that would be passed on that quickly and would kill your fish that quickly- they'd have to be some nasty nasty parasites. The deaths are of course just correlational with the liposome spray, but snorvich is right, that's the only thing that has changed.

The other problem is, you may have been one of the first people in the world to ever give it to leopard wrasse specifically. They're a pretty rare fish in relation to all the other fish out there. Even New Era may not have tested their products on leopards.

Sorry to hear about your loss, don't give up, you'll get through this!

Thanks - Luckily I might be able to speak to the New Era guys, they built and maintain a number of tanks in the offices where I work, I have bumped into them once or twice. On a previous occasion when I spoke to them they were saying how they got leopards eating the flake, we didn't discuss the spray.

Don't get me wrong I am not blaming the spray, coincidence is all it is at present along with the addition of the other wrasses.

As for giving up, I felt like it Sunday and yesterday. Feel a bit better today, may even add 4 bipartitus and see how it goes. But even if I do get the opportunity I wouldn't do it for a while yet.

I really need to get hold of some praz-tastic or prazipro, but you can't get it in the UK.

 

[snorvich]

There is a product called Vitality that does work well with sensitive fish. I do not know if it is available in the UK, however. Kevin Kohen (LA) soaks the food he feeds his leopards and anampses in it.