brandon429
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That dang neo~
pico reef pest algae problem challenge
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Napi Napoli
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Ok I think I'm going to dose my whole tank. What type of corals should I be worried about so I can remove them temp?
I was going to remove what ever coral that wasn't glued to a rock along with my cleaner shrimp
Should I remove all my clams?
SPS?
Zoo's ?
I was going to remove what ever coral that wasn't glued to a rock along with my cleaner shrimp
Should I remove all my clams?
SPS?
Zoo's ?
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brandon429
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We know xenia and leathers and anemones like rbta's can be stressed
somewhere after page 10 is a really diverse sps tank where the keeper took time to remove what rocks he could that's a nice example tank where a little work paid off in that algae died and all corals were preserved
Any rocks you can get to by removal will be cleaned fast, as in three days fast
Also, your whole tank dosing is better targeted than broadcast
If whole tank dosing is the only option for you, its best to turn off pumps and let the water still
Spot inject, underwater, your green covered areas it will quickly dissolve into the water but that fast contact time will still get you close to the 3 day mark, keep water still a while to slow dissipation then repeat in a couple days
Make sure its a new, unopened bottle. Many users reported no activity using opened bottles which get weaker each passing month
We are collecting pics most importantly here, any chance you'd post up a full tank shot?
Don't mind if its rough, I've had my reef choked by red brush it was filthy but we are brave and know what the after pics will be
a full tank shot adds a 40% safety margin for a first time systemic run because I'll spot hidden details we are missing in type...can make a really close prediction for you before dosing
somewhere after page 10 is a really diverse sps tank where the keeper took time to remove what rocks he could that's a nice example tank where a little work paid off in that algae died and all corals were preserved
Any rocks you can get to by removal will be cleaned fast, as in three days fast
Also, your whole tank dosing is better targeted than broadcast
If whole tank dosing is the only option for you, its best to turn off pumps and let the water still
Spot inject, underwater, your green covered areas it will quickly dissolve into the water but that fast contact time will still get you close to the 3 day mark, keep water still a while to slow dissipation then repeat in a couple days
Make sure its a new, unopened bottle. Many users reported no activity using opened bottles which get weaker each passing month
We are collecting pics most importantly here, any chance you'd post up a full tank shot?
Don't mind if its rough, I've had my reef choked by red brush it was filthy but we are brave and know what the after pics will be
a full tank shot adds a 40% safety margin for a first time systemic run because I'll spot hidden details we are missing in type...can make a really close prediction for you before dosing
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Napi Napoli
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all of my rock has this green film on it. I also edited my last post.
I really want to treat the whole tank instead of pulling all my rock out.
I really want to treat the whole tank instead of pulling all my rock out.
Napi Napoli
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brandon429
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Zos not impacted
Nice pics! Its not bad at all we can beat that for sure. Remove the nice brain, let's protect those nice ones since you are the rare doser who has alt facilities ~ thanks for posting
Good call on sps and clams, I would remove them. We don't have any pics of clams and peroxide why risk it. Any frags you have not permanently mounted why not remove them temporarily...this substrate looks challenged and you can up the dose
Give it a week after a couple treatments before evaluating...full tank runs are slow but it will work
One of the main benefits to you will be cleaning of rocks, peroxide- facilitated organic removal and increased flocculation, skimmate but it will take a little while to be complete
Even if you would drain your tank, treat what you can emersed, then refill with the same water (or some clean) you get away with less peroxide and more concentration on target, a three day cure
This should in some way be the most work you've done with water changes in a long time. if your tank is usually hands off, change that up for the next two weeks during this tune up. Its the time id be doing huge weekly water changes with new water, id be paying my lfs to truck over 90 gals premade to taste actually lol
Just throwing out what I think are safe margins for your tank
Nice pics! Its not bad at all we can beat that for sure. Remove the nice brain, let's protect those nice ones since you are the rare doser who has alt facilities ~ thanks for posting
Good call on sps and clams, I would remove them. We don't have any pics of clams and peroxide why risk it. Any frags you have not permanently mounted why not remove them temporarily...this substrate looks challenged and you can up the dose
Give it a week after a couple treatments before evaluating...full tank runs are slow but it will work
One of the main benefits to you will be cleaning of rocks, peroxide- facilitated organic removal and increased flocculation, skimmate but it will take a little while to be complete
Even if you would drain your tank, treat what you can emersed, then refill with the same water (or some clean) you get away with less peroxide and more concentration on target, a three day cure
This should in some way be the most work you've done with water changes in a long time. if your tank is usually hands off, change that up for the next two weeks during this tune up. Its the time id be doing huge weekly water changes with new water, id be paying my lfs to truck over 90 gals premade to taste actually lol
Just throwing out what I think are safe margins for your tank
Napi Napoli
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Thanks!
Ok 1ml/10gal ?
For how long and how many times should I dose?
Ok 1ml/10gal ?
For how long and how many times should I dose?
brandon429
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I can see why you don't want to remove rocks
The drain and treat is the certain prescription for this tank, it would be painted on target with a small paint brush, let sit two mins, refill- gets clean fast
A full tank dosing will work too, green targets will easily die with peroxide i'm glad you don't have diatoms
Id remove what you can, hit tank w 2 ml per ten twice a week, change water on weekend see if it dies off in a week or two
2ml with your sensitives removed. There are posts of tanks using 3-4 mls per ten but 2 is good and still safe. Can't wait to see after pics. 1ml p ten is safe if you don't mind waiting a while. It can be 3x per week, that's average what I see people doing.
Fish will be just fine at 1 to 2 ml's unless you have something ultra delicate, but all common reef tank fish have shown zero stress at 1 ml per ten.
The drain and treat is the certain prescription for this tank, it would be painted on target with a small paint brush, let sit two mins, refill- gets clean fast
A full tank dosing will work too, green targets will easily die with peroxide i'm glad you don't have diatoms
Id remove what you can, hit tank w 2 ml per ten twice a week, change water on weekend see if it dies off in a week or two
2ml with your sensitives removed. There are posts of tanks using 3-4 mls per ten but 2 is good and still safe. Can't wait to see after pics. 1ml p ten is safe if you don't mind waiting a while. It can be 3x per week, that's average what I see people doing.
Fish will be just fine at 1 to 2 ml's unless you have something ultra delicate, but all common reef tank fish have shown zero stress at 1 ml per ten.
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Napi Napoli
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It would be a pain to remove everything
brandon429
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Your tank can also be a nice test run of the theory I have that you don't have to strip phosphates as a required method of algae control. It would be neat if you could get your phosphate checked on two different kits, post the two numbers, and after the cleaning keep everything just like you were.
Let's see how many weeks it goes before algae comes back after a true full systemic cleaning.
It will, but much slower and in less mass than can currently be explained.
Peroxide is not a bandaid, its an algaecidal cheat we are learning how to wield.
i'm curious if it remains effective after x amount of time
A solid year in my bowl is working the same as first treatment...I hadn't used this before reading reefmiser's nano reef post, the mothership of peroxide dosing lol
Dude your reef is nice. as we speak a thousand people think we're insane for dumping peroxide in that beauty
Its amazing your up close shot has as much algae on it, the fts almost looks like you have no prob!
Let's see how many weeks it goes before algae comes back after a true full systemic cleaning.
It will, but much slower and in less mass than can currently be explained.
Peroxide is not a bandaid, its an algaecidal cheat we are learning how to wield.
i'm curious if it remains effective after x amount of time
A solid year in my bowl is working the same as first treatment...I hadn't used this before reading reefmiser's nano reef post, the mothership of peroxide dosing lol
Dude your reef is nice. as we speak a thousand people think we're insane for dumping peroxide in that beauty
Its amazing your up close shot has as much algae on it, the fts almost looks like you have no prob!
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NaClH2O Getaway
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Dang! Just past a week and these little son-a-guns ain't giving up! I'd take another pic but sadly enough it looks EXACTLY like the before shot. So whats next? I've got a gallon of bleach at the ready. tell me why I shouldn't nuke this thing hahahaha:uzi:
ryanb69
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what kind of zoos are those in your pictures? there great!
brandon429
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You can dip those in a 5o/5o no prob take us some before and after pics
On the neomeris, I know they are tough! Before nuking can you try some kind of direct peroxide contact instead of a tank dose, i'm really interested in seeing if its the first plant based organism out of these 20 pages that can tolerate a direct contact of any kind. Perhaps the tankwide dose is just too diluted to work with out being doubled or tripled...hopefully there is some test rock you can lift out or there is some growth up top easy to get to with a 20% tank drain, just one little direct contact test would be such helpful data!
On the neomeris, I know they are tough! Before nuking can you try some kind of direct peroxide contact instead of a tank dose, i'm really interested in seeing if its the first plant based organism out of these 20 pages that can tolerate a direct contact of any kind. Perhaps the tankwide dose is just too diluted to work with out being doubled or tripled...hopefully there is some test rock you can lift out or there is some growth up top easy to get to with a 20% tank drain, just one little direct contact test would be such helpful data!
brandon429
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brandon429
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Do a top area drain and treat I put stock in a direct contact run! If that simple drain and treat yields death then we know how to roll neomeris from now on, a full tank drain or at least low enough fish can swim during the brief emersion
If you could kill all but the lowest growth w could attack it last and with another option I can see because you have open space in the aquascape
If you could kill all but the lowest growth w could attack it last and with another option I can see because you have open space in the aquascape
Ok guys, here is my update.. Mainly pictures of the pumps which were dipped for 5 min in 50/50 3%. Algae was gone in 4 days, and has not grown back at all on the Tunze (even though it has grown in the remainder of the tank).
Pictures: Before, day 1, day 2, and day 3
TUNZE:
Pictures: Before, day 1, day 2, and day 3
TUNZE:
