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[Norman123]

A cleaner shrimp should work, a dwarf angel will not. The six line wrasse will severely limit tank mates.

Thanks for your help! I was a little worried about the six line. Last year during an algae bloom I added a kole tang. He lasted a little over a week. The goby spars with the wrasse as well but they seem to have learned to co exist...

 

[snorvich]

Thanks for your help! I was a little worried about the six line. Last year during an algae bloom I added a kole tang. He lasted a little over a week. The goby spars with the wrasse as well but they seem to have learned to co exist...

A six line can be a royal PITA especially in a small tank.

 

[crabbydan]

Still cycling so re-thinking stock list. Can you also suggest an order to be added?

New tank is 4ft by 18 inches front to back and 30 inches tall. I have a 20 gallon sump which will have about 10 gallons in it. 100lbs of live rock will use 75 of it for sure and will try to add the other 25 as room and looks allow. Skimmer Vertex Omega 150, Lighting is 2 kessils a 350W and a 360W. Chiller (I live in the desert), Auto top off, GFO/Carbon reactor if needed. Will have a small 8 inch by 12 inch refuge area in sump also have a medium 4 inch by 20 inch HOB fuge that I might use too.
Flow is two Jebao WP25's along with return sump pump forgot flow on that.

Current tank water quality should be the same in the new tank being set up;
Salinity = 1.025 /// Ammonia=0 /// Nitrite=0 /// Nitrate=0 /// PH=9 /// Temp=79degrees F /// Phosphate = 0.16 (I struggle here) /// KH=9 or 161 /// Calcium=400 /// Mag=1170 (I struggle here too).

Current tank;
Cleaner Shrimp
Peppermint Shrimp
Small 1inch blue green chromis -
Small 1 inch snowflake clown
Variety of snails = Nas, Turbo, Cerith, Netrites?
3 hermit crabs in refuge not in display.
3 headed Duncan
20 head zoa
3 inch round green star polyp.

New tank wish list in addition to the Chromis and clown above;
Pistol Shrimp & Goby Pair I like the Yasha goby and will likely go with a randalls pistol shrimp.
Green Coris Wrasse.
Fox Face Lo or lawn mower blenny or both.. Would both be too many algae eaters?
Do you know what Tangs could fit in a 105 gallon with corals?
Also are their any dwarf angels that could live in a 105 gallon with corals?
Strawberry Basslet.
Gold Midas Blenny or a Tail spot blenny.
Last does any anthias work in my 105 gallon tank?
Would a scooter or mandarin ever work in this tank after mature for a year or is this a huge stock list?

Ok I do not plan to have any crabs as I am not a fan of them in general they ate and stole the shells from my snails in my 40 gallon. But I have considered a pom pom crab is this suitable or is it also likely a killer / shell stealer?

Thank you again and out of what is capable in my size tank can you help me with an order they should be introduced?

 

[Jone]

Leopard wrasse...love to hear opinions of this wrasse,,I have been waiting to see one at the LFS,,Iahve mainly softies and LPS

 

[snorvich]

Still cycling so re-thinking stock list. Can you also suggest an order to be added?

New tank is 4ft by 18 inches front to back and 30 inches tall. I have a 20 gallon sump which will have about 10 gallons in it. 100lbs of live rock will use 75 of it for sure and will try to add the other 25 as room and looks allow. Skimmer Vertex Omega 150, Lighting is 2 kessils a 350W and a 360W. Chiller (I live in the desert), Auto top off, GFO/Carbon reactor if needed. Will have a small 8 inch by 12 inch refuge area in sump also have a medium 4 inch by 20 inch HOB fuge that I might use too.
Flow is two Jebao WP25's along with return sump pump forgot flow on that.

Current tank water quality should be the same in the new tank being set up;
Salinity = 1.025 /// Ammonia=0 /// Nitrite=0 /// Nitrate=0 /// PH=9 /// Temp=79degrees F /// Phosphate = 0.16 (I struggle here) /// KH=9 or 161 /// Calcium=400 /// Mag=1170 (I struggle here too).

Current tank;
Cleaner Shrimp
Peppermint Shrimp
Small 1inch blue green chromis -
Small 1 inch snowflake clown
Variety of snails = Nas, Turbo, Cerith, Netrites?
3 hermit crabs in refuge not in display.
3 headed Duncan
20 head zoa
3 inch round green star polyp.

New tank wish list in addition to the Chromis and clown above;
Pistol Shrimp & Goby Pair I like the Yasha goby and will likely go with a randalls pistol shrimp. fine
Green Coris Wrasse. fine
Fox Face Lo or lawn mower blenny or both.. Would both be too many algae eaters? the fox face is fine, but I would not do any additional algae eaters
Do you know what Tangs could fit in a 105 gallon with corals? the fox face limits algae eaters, so none
Also are their any dwarf angels that could live in a 105 gallon with corals? dwarf angels are not coral safe
Strawberry Basslet.
Gold Midas Blenny or a Tail spot blenny.tail spot is preferred
Last does any anthias work in my 105 gallon tank? one would be fine, a group would not
Would a scooter or mandarin ever work in this tank after mature for a year or is this a huge stock list? After nine months, a scooter should work

Ok I do not plan to have any crabs as I am not a fan of them in general they ate and stole the shells from my snails in my 40 gallon. But I have considered a pom pom crab is this suitable or is it also likely a killer / shell stealer? No, it is not. However, you would rarely, if ever, see it.

Thank you again and out of what is capable in my size tank can you help me with an order they should be introduced?

 

[firemountain]

Steve,

I am looking to purchase a Yasha Goby and a Mandarin. I know both are bottom dwellers, and want to make sure they are introduced in the proper order.

Tank info...65g mixed reef est. for about 9 months. Current fish are a mated pair of O. Clown fish, Gold Assessor Basslet, Helfrichi firefish, 2 Skunk cleaner shrimp, 1 fire shrimp, CUC, 2 baby hermits.

No refugium in my sump, but getting ready to setup a converted Aquaclear 70 HOB fuge just for pod production and Chaeto.

I know the Mandarin will be a bit challenging, and if I have to chose between the two fish, I would rather take a crack at the Mandarin.

 

[snorvich]

Steve,

I am looking to purchase a Yasha Goby and a Mandarin. I know both are bottom dwellers, and want to make sure they are introduced in the proper order.

Tank info...65g mixed reef est. for about 9 months. Current fish are a mated pair of O. Clown fish, Gold Assessor Basslet, Helfrichi firefish, 2 Skunk cleaner shrimp, 1 fire shrimp, CUC, 2 baby hermits.

No refugium in my sump, but getting ready to setup a converted Aquaclear 70 HOB fuge just for pod production and Chaeto.

I know the Mandarin will be a bit challenging, and if I have to chose between the two fish, I would rather take a crack at the Mandarin.

Although they reside (sort of) in the same space, they do not reside in the same ecological niche. No compatibility issues. I would introduce the mandarin once the tank is mature and/or the refugium is active.

 

[firemountain]

Although they reside (sort of) in the same space, they do not reside in the same ecological niche. No compatibility issues. I would introduce the mandarin once the tank is mature and/or the refugium is active.

Ok. Thanks Steve. While I feel the tank is established, I want my pod production to be up to the demand of the mandarin, with the fugue up and running.

 

[crabbydan]

Thanks for the earlier input, can you suggest a stocking order? This is what I was guessing at...

1. Snowflake clown transfer from current tank
2. Pistol Shrimp & Goby Pair I like the Yasha goby and will likely go with a randalls pistol shrimp.
3. Tail spot blenny.
4. Transfer Chromis from current tank.
5 Anthias
6. Strawberry Basslet.
7. Green Coris Wrasse.
8. Fox Face Lo or lawn mower blenny. (Leaning towards the Fox Face)
9. Scooter or Mandarin after 12 months of successful pod population in sump and HOB refuge.

 

[snorvich]

Thanks for the earlier input, can you suggest a stocking order? This is what I was guessing at...

1. Snowflake clown transfer from current tank
2. Pistol Shrimp & Goby Pair I like the Yasha goby and will likely go with a randalls pistol shrimp.
3. Tail spot blenny.
4. Transfer Chromis from current tank.
5 Anthias
6. Strawberry Basslet.
7. Green Coris Wrasse.
8. Fox Face Lo or lawn mower blenny. (Leaning towards the Fox Face)
9. Scooter or Mandarin after 12 months of successful pod population in sump and HOB refuge.

The order looks fine to me

 

[nanoreef_swag]

Would a 10 gallon work for 1 small angler like a wart skin? And could I put any other fish in the tank with it? Please tell me some tank sizes and good predatory fish that stay 4 in or smaller

 

[snorvich]

Would a 10 gallon work for 1 small angler like a wart skin? And could I put any other fish in the tank with it? Please tell me some tank sizes and good predatory fish that stay 4 in or smaller

To answer the specific question, any fish that could live in a 10 gallon tank would be eaten. Also, I do not provide analysis of aggressive fish community tanks. Best to post any aggressive fish questions here.

 

[izzyish]

Snorvich, looking into some Genicanthus watanabei's but I read somewhere that males don't fair well through shipping process. Would it be okay to get two females hoping one would eventually turn male? I have a 125g tank with a Mag Foxface, Yellow tang, Blue Damsel, 2 Lyretail Anthias, and 3 Bartlett Anthias. Do you think the Yellow tang would hurt the watanabei's even after they've been in an acclimation box for a week or so?

Also, I have a 46 gallon reef tank with green hair algae. I was thinking of a foxface lo but I believe he's rated for a bigger tank. Do you have any fish suggestions that would consume hair algae in that size tank.

Thanks!

 

[snorvich]

Snorvich, looking into some Genicanthus watanabei's but I read somewhere that males don't fair well through shipping process. Would it be okay to get two females hoping one would eventually turn male? I have a 125g tank with a Mag Foxface, Yellow tang, Blue Damsel, 2 Lyretail Anthias, and 3 Bartlett Anthias. Do you think the Yellow tang would hurt the watanabei's even after they've been in an acclimation box for a week or so?

Also, I have a 46 gallon reef tank with green hair algae. I was thinking of a foxface lo but I believe he's rated for a bigger tank. Do you have any fish suggestions that would consume hair algae in that size tank.

Thanks!

Two G. watanabei females may work, but probably would not. The yellow tang, once establised is unlikely to allow a fish of this type to be added. An acclimation box may work, however. The foxface is unlikely to clean the hair algae. Best way is to solve the problem of nutrients rather than local for a biological way to get around it.

 

[Speedoking]

Started putting together a ~90 as in I have the sheets of glass. 39"x25"x25". My current stock list is, yellow kole tang, banggai cardinal, lawnmower blenny and a tomato clown these are the fish I already have. After I complete the new tank I want to add a maroon clown, female lyretail anthias, royal gramma and a red velvet fairy wrasse. Would this work?

 

[izzyish]

Two G. watanabei females may work, but probably would not. The yellow tang, once establised is unlikely to allow a fish of this type to be added. An acclimation box may work, however. The foxface is unlikely to clean the hair algae. Best way is to solve the problem of nutrients rather than local for a biological way to get around it.

When I introduced the Mag. foxface the yellow tang would not have it. Yellow tang would swat its tail at the foxface every chance it got. That lasted for about two weeks, thankfully the yellow tang ignores the foxface now. What are the chances the same outcome comes after adding two watanabei's?

 

[snorvich]

Started putting together a ~90 as in I have the sheets of glass. 39"x25"x25". My current stock list is, yellow kole tang, banggai cardinal, lawnmower blenny and a tomato clown these are the fish I already have. After I complete the new tank I want to add a maroon clown, female lyretail anthias, royal gramma and a red velvet fairy wrasse. Would this work?

The tank will not sustain two species of clownfish. The maroon, I can assure you, will win. Otherwise, the plan is fine.

 

[snorvich]

When I introduced the Mag. foxface the yellow tang would not have it. Yellow tang would swat its tail at the foxface every chance it got. That lasted for about two weeks, thankfully the yellow tang ignores the foxface now. What are the chances the same outcome comes after adding two watanabei's?

It is a complete roll of the dice. You are lucky the foxface was not killed or intimidated into starvation. Same issue with any similar fish such as any Genicanthus angel. Yellow tangs, once established, are aggressive. You could take out the yellow tang, put him into time out for two weeks and hope it works when he returns. But I am not optimistic although I do not know for certain.

 

[3FordFamily]

Advice for angels/tangs/foxface/wrasses etc.

If you must have two of them, I would shoot for more to spread aggression. When I have had issues with aggression it was because I had fewer similar fish.

Example: A potters and a flame angel MAY work (often does) but a potters, flame, and lemon peel are more likely to get along because they can't bully each other as much

Example2: Zebrasoma tangs/all tangs - A Yellow and a Sailfin might fight, but I have a purple, yellow, and desjardi sailfin (not all added at same time because my sailfin died) and it worked out after a couple days. In short, two tangs are more likely to fight than 3 or 4 if your tank is large enough to support them.

Example3: Wrasses. Many say that fairy/flashers are aggressive toward each other. I have 5 fairy/flashers in the same tank. Zero aggression. Added roughly at same time.

Foxfaces added with tangs or similar shaped fish may decrease potential aggression (even some butterflies). Butterflies, tangs, and foxface are similar enough that adding them together will probably reduce aggression nearly as effectively as all tangs, etc.

And the common theme: Add at the same time. This is troublesome on your bio load at times, so be aware that a water change might need to be bigger or more frequent until your bio load adjusts. But adding at the same time reduces bullying.

Just my .02

 

[3FordFamily]

I have also noticed that some "tank bosses" are meaner than others. My desjardi sailfin boss (since passed after I moved him to a new tank, he got electrocuted in my 125 by a pump ) was very laid back. Showed little aggression to any new additions.

In his absence, my purple tang took over as tank boss and he is 3x as mean to new additions. He gave my achilles and powder blue flack for a couple days before accepting. He bullied my new desjardi sailfin for 3 weeks before allowing him to leave his corner. Now I think the new sailfin may be taking over. Hopefully he is as laid back as my last.