Red Carpet Anemone

Well sorry the red carpet didn't make it. It happens.I was really cheering for you. Next time? Keep others interested in aquacultering rather than collecting from the wild. I'd rather have the knowledge flowing to keep this hobby responsible.
Good thread, keep the chit chat down stick to the subject. We don't won't threads closed for those really interested.
Keep up the good work. I read Anthony's book once a month and others.
 
I just want to chime in that propagation is definitely a positive activity and the loss of the anemone is unfortunate but the motive was good.
I hate the thought that so many anemones are taken from the wild, clown fish can not exist without a host so it's doubly bad.
 
SMP clownfish can and do survive without a host. They will also host in other things. I have several clowns in my reef and one pair hosts in a RBTA and the others host in xenia and finger leathers. :) They will readily accept other things to host in.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7354126#post7354126 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by smp
I just want to chime in that propagation is definitely a positive activity and the loss of the anemone is unfortunate but the motive was good.
I hate the thought that so many anemones are taken from the wild, clown fish can not exist without a host so it's doubly bad.
In fact clownfish can live without a host. And the host can live without the clownfish.
 
sorry for your loss

sorry for your loss

Sorry to hear about the loss, I feel badly, for you and the carpet. Having kept a blue and a green Haddoni, I can honestly say they are generall very easy to keep as long as you provide the right lighting, clean water, dsb, and food. Not trying to overly simplfy this but its not like keeping acros or a ritteri. I understand that if alleopathy was the case from the green leathers being fraged and plumbed inline to the carpet, maybe a filter system or a seperate quarentine tank should have been used to instead of straight plumbing them together, especially with a rare find like a red carpet. I can only attest to their hardiness from my experience. It must have been a copious amount of toxins released to have caused it to stop feeding and die. What foods did you try, was it ever truly sticky? My carpet pulled down over 6 fish before finally giving him away to a fellow reefer for a gbta, which I still have, although it has now split 1 time from my move to a new apt. I can say that if you truly spend extra time on a sick anenome, and make sure you water is clean chances are it can be saved, unless it has a serious foot tear, with infection. I do not know about Ritteri's I hear that their size and lighting demands alone are significant to match. Good look with your propogation.

p.s.
As a side not make sure to inspect your future anenmone purchases and make sure they can be fed before accpeting the purchase. I tru sign of good health in carpets is stickiness and feeding, at the end of my green carpets time in my tank before being traded he would close extremly fast on any food or fish, and even on my Kent scrapper, to the point where it felt like a human hand pulling on it. In my gallery you can see pics of it eating a 5 inch yellow tang.

good luck
David
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7354126#post7354126 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by smp
I just want to chime in that propagation is definitely a positive activity and the loss of the anemone is unfortunate but the motive was good.
I hate the thought that so many anemones are taken from the wild, clown fish can not exist without a host so it's doubly bad.

I think smp meant that clowns can't/don't live without anemones in the wild. Therefore, if you remove the anemones from a wild area, you are exterminating the clowns as well.
In the wild, clowns don't use corals as hosts, nor do they live without hosts.
 
Good point Phil. I didnt think of it that way. If that is the case then he is correct :)
David i agree. If i was to do it all over again i would have it in a seperate tank by itself. Thats all in hindsite now. I was pretty upset when it died. Not because of the financial end of it but because it was so beautiful and also the only one i have seen in person. I previously had a blue carpet that did well till i eliminated the sand bed in my reef and gave it to a fellow reefkeeper where it happily resides to this day :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7356227#post7356227 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
I was under the impression that clowns in the wild do not need anemones, why is this not true?
Because of their symbiotic relationship.
Clownfish are slow and easy prey for larger fishes if they have no protective anemone.
Without fishes to protect the anemone it will be easy prey for Butterflyfish or other anemone eating critters.

I suggest not trying to slice any newly imported Haddon's anemone. Get a long established aquarium specimen to undergo the knife.
I don't believe the Sarcophyton fragging was lethal to the red anemone in this thread because I've fragged quite a few Sarcophyton (many different species including a green Tyree LE) in the same system with Haddon's anemone.

FWIW I've had a Haddon's anemone "bud" and spawn (shed gametes) in my aquarium.
 
I wasnt going to propogate it till it was in the tank for 8 weeks. It was advised to me to let it settle in and make sure it was eating before doing anything to it. It sure made sense to me!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7349180#post7349180 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
Well that means he is not a very good reef keeper.

Anyone with any reasonable amount of experience in this hobby knows that statement is absolutely untrue.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7349180#post7349180 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
Well from the pictures and the price, i would think it was a very healthy specimen when he bought it.

Many corals, anemones, and fishes will look just fine until they get over the edge of the precipice, and then they crash. As for price, I think that's a poor way to evaluate the health of an animal.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7349180#post7349180 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
I was under the impression that clowns in the wild do not need anemones, why is this not true?

That's an odd statement considering the extensive research into anemones that you claim to have done in another thread.

Dave
 
Well thank you very much for calling me out on these issues. The first statement was taken to critical and has been resolved. And as for the last one you called me out on, we are all not perfect. It was a simple and easy mistake to think that clowns dont need anemones to survive. Which IMO i truly believe they dont need anemones to survive. But that is my opinion. And i dont want this post to sound harsh and i am not trying to sound harsh, so please dont take it the wrong way. Thank you
Josh.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7366002#post7366002 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
........Which IMO i truly believe they dont need anemones to survive. ........

It is true that many clowns are perfectly able to take care of themselves as well or better than say damsels for example. Large chrysopterus, clarki, tomatoes and some other clowns routinely venture a long way from their anemones to attack divers and other large fish. However, whether or not they are capable of living without anemones, in the wild, they just don't.
 
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