Silent and Failsafe Overflow System

I have a 210 gallon build going with the bean animal system. My question is what size pump will I need. Can I get by with like a mag 9.5

The short answer is no, and I would not recommend a larger mag drive pump either. You want a pump in the 2000gph range.... The long answer should be in a thread of its own....this thread is about the drain system, and really should not get too far astray. :)
 
Running the open channel into a different area (read different water level) is not advised, it can mess with the dynamics of the system. All the lines should run into the same section of the sump. The Dry emergency is an exception, and generally I run it into the return section. All equal configuration, and identical, thusly:

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There is not enough flow through the open channel, to serve a "fuge" and if there is, then the flow through the open channel is too high.

Also, the type of valve has no effect on horizontal runs. Horizontal runs can and do cause starting issues (trapping air.) Hence, horizontal runs are not recommended for use with siphon systems, irregardless of the type of valve used. Gate valves only accomplish more precise control, they do nothing else.

Setup the system as designed, and do not get carried away with ifs, maybes, and inaccurate information. This system works as designed. That is the only 'warranty' there is.

I see what you are saying and I would agree that sticking to the original design is best. This is also why I am redoing my baffles to allow for a larger skimming section. This way all three drains can fit comfortable in the skimming section as the design calls for. I can do that and just feed the refugium with the return pump. Thank you for the help once again!
 
Is it just me or did bean's great cad renderings disappear? Last time I looked at this thread his first post had them, but today I no longer see them. Anybody know where they went or have them saved??
 
I have looked and have not been able to find the answer to this question. What is the ideal height relationship between the height of the down turned elbow and the height of the overflow? My drain lines are in the bottom of my overflow box, which is an external Calfo style overflow. How high up should the intakes for the siphon and open channel be?
 
I have looked and have not been able to find the answer to this question. What is the ideal height relationship between the height of the down turned elbow and the height of the overflow? My drain lines are in the bottom of my overflow box, which is an external Calfo style overflow. How high up should the intakes for the siphon and open channel be?

i set my intake for siphon and open channel to be equal length. I had nothing but issues and noises, gurgling and all that. I went back and read some of the previous comments and made the intakes for siphon closest to overflow box or further down than the open channel. It is running smooth and very silent now.

but i still don't understand the logic behind it, maybe someone else can chime in.
 
The short answer is no, and I would not recommend a larger mag drive pump either. You want a pump in the 2000gph range.... The long answer should be in a thread of its own....this thread is about the drain system, and really should not get too far astray. :)
My question was actually about the least amount of flow that the bean animal drain could handle and still operate. The thread is way over 200 pages and was looking for a quick answer so I could order a pump. Theirs no way I would run a 2000 GPh pump through my sump. Also no need in running a 300 watt pump if I ended up having to dial it back for the bean animal to handle it. Running a pump that is way too large and only using half of it always seemed kind of silly to me. I was just looking for suggestions from people with the same size tank and different pump options on the lowest flow end.
 
My question was actually about the least amount of flow that the bean animal drain could handle and still operate. The thread is way over 200 pages and was looking for a quick answer so I could order a pump. Theirs no way I would run a 2000 GPh pump through my sump. Also no need in running a 300 watt pump if I ended up having to dial it back for the bean animal to handle it. Running a pump that is way too large and only using half of it always seemed kind of silly to me. I was just looking for suggestions from people with the same size tank and different pump options on the lowest flow end.

i would guess that would depend on the valve you are using on the full siphon
 
My question was actually about the least amount of flow that the bean animal drain could handle and still operate. The thread is way over 200 pages and was looking for a quick answer so I could order a pump. Theirs no way I would run a 2000 GPh pump through my sump. Also no need in running a 300 watt pump if I ended up having to dial it back for the bean animal to handle it. Running a pump that is way too large and only using half of it always seemed kind of silly to me. I was just looking for suggestions from people with the same size tank and different pump options on the lowest flow end.

This is the question you asked:

I have a 210 gallon build going with the bean animal system. My question is what size pump will I need. Can I get by with like a mag 9.5

You are looking for a bottom end pump solution, based on cost, rather than what is actually good for your system. But a 9.5 is not the pump for a 200 gallon + tank. Sorry.

To answer your second question about the "flow capability" of a bean system, with 1" bulkheads, and 1.5" pipe it has a very wide "bandwidth" maxing out at ~1500 gph with a 24" drop, better at 36" which is more "average." Going above that, You need larger bulkheads: 1.5".

As for the rest, your information is way outdated, mentioning a 300watt pump is needed to do the job an 85watt pump will do, seems like "loading the deck" for some reason, unmentioned.

http://www.rlss.ca/#!dc-pump/vstc3=dc10000ii

Coming out of a basement, if that be the case, you will need a pump with "guts" which the mag drive pumps don't have either.

But like I said, pump questions should be posted elsewhere.... :)
 
I have set up my second BA overflow now. The first went very well and was simple to adjust and purges well on pump cycling. My second tank has been problematic for some reason..... please assist. I am setup with a Eheim 1250 pump on a 70 gal tank and a 20g sump. I am running three 1inch bulkheads. I have a gate valve on the full siphon drain and a ball valve on the open drain. The flow is on the low end of turnover and may be part of the issue. When I restart the pump the open and full siphon drains never burp the air but just run half gurgle flow. The ends are in the same chamber just below water level. Here are some pictures...
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This is the question you asked:



You are looking for a bottom end pump solution, based on cost, rather than what is actually good for your system. But a 9.5 is not the pump for a 200 gallon + tank. Sorry.

To answer your second question about the "flow capability" of a bean system, with 1" bulkheads, and 1.5" pipe it has a very wide "bandwidth" maxing out at ~1500 gph with a 24" drop, better at 36" which is more "average." Going above that, You need larger bulkheads: 1.5".

As for the rest, your information is way outdated, mentioning a 300watt pump is needed to do the job an 85watt pump will do, seems like "loading the deck" for some reason, unmentioned.

http://www.rlss.ca/#!dc-pump/vstc3=dc10000ii

Coming out of a basement, if that be the case, you will need a pump with "guts" which the mag drive pumps don't have either.

But like I said, pump questions should be posted elsewhere.... :)

If this is a direct siphon system, would it not be siphoning the same amount of water if all the same size pipe and fittings were used? So I'm thinking the same flow from a 210 gallon tank should be the same as a 40 gallon tank, so I need a 2000 Gph for my 40g also? :hmm5:
 
I am having issues with my second BA setup. First was flawless but my second won't start a full siphon. I am running 1" bulkheads and a Eheim 1250 on a 70g tank. Both the open and the full just gurgle and never burp the air. The drains are both just under water level in the same section of the sump. Here are some pictures

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Third time...... sorry if it double posts.... I am having problems with a 70g tank and a eheim 1250 pump. The full siphon won't purge after a pump cycle. Here are some pictures

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I have read read the full official article and have successfully done a previous tank that works perfectly. Am I using too little flow to purge the drain effectively? Suggestions?
 
i'm having trouble with the overflow restarting.
After i turn off pump, turn back on. It just runs and flows into the emergency pipe.

the middle siphon pipe never starts. any thoughts?
 
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