What in the world did that guy decide to build you? I would question how 40 socks vs 2 will work haha
It's gets really old seeing someone being torn down for wanting to splurge on certain things that the majority of reefers don't. The way that filter sock system works is that water flows over each row sequentially. When you have a sock plug up and start to overflow it's obviously not filtering anymore, so the next row is there to catch what is being missed from the second and so on. I can clearly see this when I clean my socks. The first row is filthy while my second row is much less dirty. I would bet money that you use some form of mechanical filtration on your sump and if you don't you would be cleaning detritus out of it a few times a week. Filter sock vs filter floss/sponge filter to me is an argument of preference not superiority. It takes me 5 min twice a week to walk outside and spray off my filter socks. It's much easier and faster than any thick piece of foam I have ever used. I rotate out sets of filter socks each time so I don't have to clean them right that second to keep my filtration going.
Also we are all aware that you can make a DIY sump yourself but not everyone can make one that's pleasing to the eye. Some of us almost like the gadgets and equipment we have as much as the livestock. My stand is open and my sump area is on display. I wouldn't want some 40g Breeder down there with **** poor seams for everyone to see when they come over. You don't know anything about this guy, his interests, or even his setup.
If you want high end, hassle free equipment and also a sump that was built and designed extremely well to house it and maximize functionality then RE is not that bad at all. Try to get any other sump maker to quote apples to apples what RE is providing it won't be much off. I've had a more economical sump from Lifereef which everyone raves about but it was tiny, I had no access to reach or clean anything without removing all my equipment from the sump. The filter pad did almost nothing. There was only 1 drain line hookup and you are SOL for bean animal style. No covers, lots of noise and salt creep and believe me that setup wasn't cheap.
So yeah I'll gladly pay what I paid for my RE system to have a sump that is virtually silent with the filter sock silencers, plenty of room for additional equipment and cleaning, cable holders all around the sump for nice orderly runs of your wiring, clear pvc lids that aren't cheap acrylic that will never yellow or bow with time, arguably the best skimmer in the industry, etc.
Also if this guy had the money to spend what he spent on that sump then I'm pretty sure livestock and equipment aren't going to be an issue for him.
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So just to be clear, you are saying that mechanical filtration of any kind is marketing hype?
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No - that isn't what he said. I'd suggest you go back and re-read what was written.
I have read it. Many times. He makes a couple of points in regards to mechanical filtration and I want to nail down which part does he attribute to marketing hype.
Since you seem to know, want to elaborate?
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If I am taking it personally, you'll know. For 1, I won't be asking questions for clarification.
He made a statement regarding a sump that I feel is well engineered as marketing hype.
The following statement contains a few points but nothing concrete as to what exactly is the hype.
If he wants to share his knowledge and educate others, in happy to learn.
But if he wants to change my mind about something then he has to PROVE that my thinking is wrong.
Asking questions is how I choose to distill what exactly he is trying to say is marketing hype.
If he is prepared to make statements that challenge other's thinking, then be prepared for other to challenge back and try to poke holes in his statement.
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Then you are looking for an argument and I can't help you. To me it was pretty clear what he said. So maybe it is me. Fair enough? He shares his knowledge in this thread countless times. Feel free to go back any number of pages. People may not like the answer or agree but the design and function is what it is. Anything outside of it, modification or otherwise, makes it no longer a Beananimal. Therefore, not guaranteed to work as designed.
To me, it is as simple as that.
The discussion you seek isn't one for the confines of the silent and failsafe overflow thread.I prefer a discussion.
Or are you saying that since he says it is, it becomes fact and I should roll over and accept it? Or I should move on and disregard what he says because I don't agree? Or should I try to find out as much information from him as I can so I can make an informed decision?
I have no problems with him. I appreciate the help he has given here and I run a BA on my system and recommend it to others whenever possible. Helping them set it up. Mine is setup differently but works well. No complaints.
But I am NOT talking about a BA drain system here. Its his assertion that (I think) the Dreambox is marketing hype. I'm trying to nail down what exactly is the hype? The mechanical filtration, the multiple socks? And why EXACTLY.
And as a disclaimer, I don't run socks. So multiple or single sock makes no matter to me.
... Please advise. I moved the cap with the airline over to my open channel at the recommendation of BA, and while the system is "working," the open channel is taking on a ton of flow. My siphon is operating smoothly. Just wondering why there's so much turbulence in the open channel. See attached photos.From left to right: emergency drain(dry), open channel, full siphon. Note the massive amount of air/ flow from the open channel. Perhaps I need to valve down my return pump? ( which id rather not if I don't have to)
Thanks in advance.
Uof6: I just did the troubleshooting you suggested. Let it stabilize and here's where I'm at. I've got a solid strong siphon(pictured far right) but as you can see still have a ton of turbulence out of the open channel(middle) although it's pulling substantially less water than the full siphon. Which is hard to tell from the photo. Something else possibly noteworthy is that the open channel settles down when I remove the airline from the push lock valve on top of the cap. Why would that be?
Both my open channel and full siphon terminate about a half inch into the water line.
Where is the water level in the overflow box? Possibly in transitional flow, (heading to siphon) kink/partial occulsion in the air vent line... just thinking...