The 'infamous' named polyps
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roblack
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Tyree does not make corals more expensive. He receives corals from people who send him frags/pieces and then grows them out in his systems. Depending on how they fare, he makes some of them LEs, and then sells a frag every 1-3 months. Have actually seen corals go for significantly less $ from Tyree after he LEs them. E.G. BGM chalice was $225 for a small frag prior to going LE. Tyree sells small frags of BGM for $200. In fact, frags from Tyree have been generously sized IME. Long waiting list though. He does not dictate price, usually is based upon initial auction, growth rate, color, rarity, etc. Guess people are looking for someone to blame that the corals they want are expensive. Most of the corals I have been buying or chasing lately are not Tyree LEs, but still are expensive, often more so than any of the Tyree LEs. If one needs someone to blame, look in the mirror and at your fellow reefers. Demand for special looking corals is what brings the price up, LE or otherwise. Oh, we call acros "sticks" down here too. LOL!
PauChi
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Our MAIN GOAL is to educate new and regular reefers NOT to be caught up or discouraged by these crooked coral frag Sellers by insisting that these steep priced "Infamous" named polyps or other corals are a MUST HAVE (humans are always 'tricked" into purchasing items just by the advertised pictures (digital visual) posted .... I'd like to know just how many folks out there that do really understand that such highlighted colors exhibited/posted For Sale corals aren't the actual colors?? A lot have been disappointed .... What You See Ain't What Cha Gettin' ..... )!! There are other means of acquiring nice and beautiful corals ... from True Reefers who LOVES this Hobby just as much as NOT into making ONLY for the sake of Money!!
This irresponsible practice is causing a lot of grievances and disappointment among innocent reefers .... a lot of questions in regards to water chemistry, lighting, husbandry etc. plays a big role in maintaining and coloring up corals and when they're not capable of maintaining these requirements .... it Kills the Joy in this Hobby and PLUS it kills the expensive "Infamous corals" as well.
I don't sulk nor get disappointed over corals that I can't afford whether it's priced accordingly or costing an arm(s) or leg(s).... the Wants for Infamous corals Will always be an Endless Battle that we can Never, ever Win the Battle ... PERIOD !! All these so-called Infamous hype can really be started from any Zoas, Rhyzos, Aussie Acans, Palau Nepthea and get the Money wheels rolling ... all over again and again!!
Paul
roblack
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Good for you Paul for assisting people in not getting ripped off. That's not what I was remarking upon, but with you on that. Little tired of reading people's whining about Tyree being such a bad guy and how he has hurt the hobby. People saying such things don't know what they are talking about. As reefers, we should ALL be thankful to Tyree for bettering the lifestyle and paving the way for keeping difficult to care for corals. He is a pioneer, not a money hungry dictator. So much misconception out there, and Tyree is not the one to blame.
Well this is about the most "in a nutshell" thread I've read here on the topic.
Very good.
650-IS350
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Never been offensive nor have anything really against Tyree, just wondered why the heck Tyree pieces are soo expensive compared to another coral of the same genus, same type coral that doesn't have the tyree lineage or Just not grown by him? I just don't get the LE thing with SPS and LPS as there are hundreds and hundreds of these pieces around yet they are still called LE?
Belive me I have a bunch of tyree pieces, SPS mostly.( Sunset/Rainbow/PokerStar montis, Acros of sorts, Tenius, Chalices ) I didn't get them cause they're from him or they're LE. I got them thru friends and fellow reefers cause I liked the look and color. I also had/have a bunch of wild or unamed sps that looks a lot better than some of those LE pieces but got them for cheap.
I just hear a lot of get this coral now before its a Tyree LE and the price goes up thing. A coral comes in to the hobby and is beautiful and has no name yet. But the minute it gets a namea and the coral gets a Tyree LE badge on it the price doubles, triples etc. ? I think I'm referring to other reefers and stores in general ?? I just don't get that...
Belive me I have a bunch of tyree pieces, SPS mostly.( Sunset/Rainbow/PokerStar montis, Acros of sorts, Tenius, Chalices ) I didn't get them cause they're from him or they're LE. I got them thru friends and fellow reefers cause I liked the look and color. I also had/have a bunch of wild or unamed sps that looks a lot better than some of those LE pieces but got them for cheap.
I just hear a lot of get this coral now before its a Tyree LE and the price goes up thing. A coral comes in to the hobby and is beautiful and has no name yet. But the minute it gets a namea and the coral gets a Tyree LE badge on it the price doubles, triples etc. ? I think I'm referring to other reefers and stores in general ?? I just don't get that...
wow. i knew sooner or later someone will start blaming tyree for the price of the corals. tyree does not dictate what price others sell their corals. vendors will charge what price they think people will pay for a piece of frag. infact, tyree's le are not more expansive than most of the corals other online vendors are selling. he is after all in the business to make money and support his family.
this is capitalism at work. don't buy an expansive frag if you don't think its worth it. one should not fall into the mind set that everyone should be able to pay cheaply for any frags so one can enjoy this hobby. this surely will kill this hobby. no collectors, no exporters, no middlemen, no lfs and no individual sellers. be smart, pay what you think the frag is worth. if its too expansive wait for the price to come down.
this is capitalism at work. don't buy an expansive frag if you don't think its worth it. one should not fall into the mind set that everyone should be able to pay cheaply for any frags so one can enjoy this hobby. this surely will kill this hobby. no collectors, no exporters, no middlemen, no lfs and no individual sellers. be smart, pay what you think the frag is worth. if its too expansive wait for the price to come down.
PauChi
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Never accused Tyree of directly involved in this price-gouging practice .... but what I would like to know is when it's been stated repeatedly (by these so-called LE believers) that the Tyree selected corals aren't that expensive compared to the other LE sellers out there.
My QUESTION is WHY didn't any Responsible person(s) involved DO ANYTHING to STOP the unrestricted Free Flowing use of the LE labellings of selected coral frags? Why are They keeping QUIET and let others freely use the LE labelling and knowing it's in some ways directly or indirectly associated with the Originator of these LE branding ..... doesn't that Bind YOU agreeing to such practice ... regardless!!
Paul
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650-IS350
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i knew sooner or later someone will start blaming tyree for the price of the corals
What don't you get, don't you not read? It states specifically we don't blame Tyreee, we just didn't get the idea that one person makes a coral in his name and its the IT coral and every body gets to charge an arm and a leg? compared to the same coral that doesn't have his name nor a lineage ? Just explain the idea...
What don't you get, don't you not read? It states specifically we don't blame Tyreee, we just didn't get the idea that one person makes a coral in his name and its the IT coral and every body gets to charge an arm and a leg? compared to the same coral that doesn't have his name nor a lineage ? Just explain the idea...
roblack
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From my understanding, anyone can call any coral an LE. Jendub has LE's, WWC has LE's, Tropicorium has LE's, Reefdoctor has LE's CherryCorals has LE's, Vivid has LE's, and the beat goes on. Who is gonna stop them and how. LMAO! Not sure what you are asking Paul. Examples of non-Tyree LE corals costing more than Tyrees are the Melting Pot chalice (less than 1/2 inch frags go for over $400) and the Flamethrower chalice. Way more expensive than any Reeffarmers frags. Or for zoa/paly lovers out there, Purple Hornets and quite a few others. I don't think Tyree LE's them hardly at all anyway. They are expensive because of demand, not because Tyree LE'd them, b/c he hasn't. Many more examples out there. I want Purple Hornets, don't really have the extra cash to throw down on them at the moment, but don't blame people for selling them at a high price. Wouldn't be upset if someone gave me a deal either. How come rhizos cost so much? They don't even name those. Funny thing is that threads like this one probably help drive the prices up even further, or at least increase interest in high-cost corals.
And yes 650, a lot of us "don't you NOT read?" all of the thread, and even get confused when we do. Sorry, had to quote you on that one, very funny. Think we are all on the same team here, at least I hope so. Want to keep great tanks and not spend all of our money in the process. I too wish some corals were cheaper and more accessible, and realize it is frustrating. And yes, the world is full of scammers and greedy cheapskates. Just seems everyone is getting thrown in the same grab bag. Most vendors I know and Tyree too are great to deal with. Have had superb experiences with so many of them. Usually have great experiences here on RC as well.
And yes 650, a lot of us "don't you NOT read?" all of the thread, and even get confused when we do. Sorry, had to quote you on that one, very funny. Think we are all on the same team here, at least I hope so. Want to keep great tanks and not spend all of our money in the process. I too wish some corals were cheaper and more accessible, and realize it is frustrating. And yes, the world is full of scammers and greedy cheapskates. Just seems everyone is getting thrown in the same grab bag. Most vendors I know and Tyree too are great to deal with. Have had superb experiences with so many of them. Usually have great experiences here on RC as well.
650-IS350
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Rob I see your point, I was throwing that out more to MIKI.
I do agree with you...
we are all on the same team here, at least I hope so. Want to keep great tanks and not spend all of our money in the process. I too wish some corals were cheaper and more accessible, and realize it is frustrating. And yes, the world is full of scammers and greedy cheapskates. Sometimes it gets hard to judge/see who is and who isn't anymore.
I do agree with you...
we are all on the same team here, at least I hope so. Want to keep great tanks and not spend all of our money in the process. I too wish some corals were cheaper and more accessible, and realize it is frustrating. And yes, the world is full of scammers and greedy cheapskates. Sometimes it gets hard to judge/see who is and who isn't anymore.
PauChi
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If there's a DEMAND for these so-called Infamous Polyps or corals ... so HOW COME the PRICE doesn't come ANY CHEAPER but Steeply going upwards ...over the years? WHY .... because a Whole lotta "naive" reefers are con into believing that they Belong to the Premier collectors of the Unknown corals. I'm not dissing anyone from Buying or Paying (if they can afford the expense) but simply to explain that we don't have to pay arms and legs for a small fraction of a nice coral ... How many threads have we witnessed where almost every Thread starts with ... LE this, LE that ... bragging rights !! This Forum looks almost like an advertisement for Selling and Buying Opportunity !!
I've personally communicated with foreign reefers who doesn't do the name game for nice corals as LE and then selling them at exorbitant prices ... no they don't at all. They either Trade or Swap corals. I've seen large colonies of these so-called Infamous polyps or coral frags for slightly more than the usual retail price paid.
We tend to disagree to some extent but what I would like to see is to Share and Spread the Wealth amongst ourselves and not all about Money making ....
Paul
roblack
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Thanks 650, I want to be your friend! Paul, maybe it is an American phenomena then? We are a strange bunch with some freaky culture and subculture. LE corals have become like designer clothes to many. I don't care if it is LE or not, just want crazy corals. In fact, I would rather buy something unnamed, full colony, good price, and keep it intact, only cutting the occasional frag when it grows too much or when I want to trade for something. Just so happens that a lot of the corals I like are LE's, and not always but often that is why they become LE, because they are really cool. Turns out there are tons of great corals out there, and more to come, so it probably will increase for a while. I really am a chalice junky, and that is the market that is probably the most inundated with this naming/LE phenomena. Bunch of great people who share my affection, and have built some great relationships with several vendors and even have dealt with Tyree himself. Do not know anybody getting rich.
Paul, maybe it is an American phenomena then? We are a strange bunch with some freaky culture and subculture. LE corals have become like designer clothes to many. I don't care if it is LE or not, just want crazy corals. In fact, I would rather buy something unnamed, full colony, good price, and keep it intact, only cutting the occasional frag when it grows too much or when I want to trade for something. Just so happens that a lot of the corals I like are LE's, and not always but often that is why they become LE, because they are really cool. Turns out there are tons of great corals out there, and more to come, so it probably will increase for a while. I really am a chalice junky, and that is the market that is probably the most inundated with this naming/LE phenomena. Bunch of great people who share my affection, and have built some great relationships with several vendors and even have dealt with Tyree himself. Do not know anybody getting rich.
PauChi
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14723615#post14723615 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by roblack
Rob .... I do think it is an American phenomena
!! Oh I do know the Chalice madness .... and fortunately for us Canadians ... we start our own Phenomena at home base level only .... !!I have to agree that I also try to collect unnamed corals in colony size but at regular price though.
Paul
650, i read very well, thanks for asking.
if you look at new tyree LEs, you will notice the price are comparable to other vendors LEs. as time goes by when there are more sellers, the price of LEs actually decrease. the long wait list is misleading, most of the people will obtain the frags they want thru the original vendor (which tyree always source on the description of the coral) or thru other farmers. example is sunset monti, three years ago this piece sell for over $90, now less than $40 if at all. there just is no demend for it any more.
650, i get what your saying. but compare to how many corals are out there for sell, tyree only have miniscule inventory. why does his corals so desirable? b/c they are indeed rare and hard to get, at least initially. not every body are selling the new LEs. when LE becomes more available, the price often fall drastically.
market force will dictate the high price when there is not much supply. eventually, the price will decrease. wait, that is what i do.
if you look at new tyree LEs, you will notice the price are comparable to other vendors LEs. as time goes by when there are more sellers, the price of LEs actually decrease. the long wait list is misleading, most of the people will obtain the frags they want thru the original vendor (which tyree always source on the description of the coral) or thru other farmers. example is sunset monti, three years ago this piece sell for over $90, now less than $40 if at all. there just is no demend for it any more.
650, i get what your saying. but compare to how many corals are out there for sell, tyree only have miniscule inventory. why does his corals so desirable? b/c they are indeed rare and hard to get, at least initially. not every body are selling the new LEs. when LE becomes more available, the price often fall drastically.
market force will dictate the high price when there is not much supply. eventually, the price will decrease. wait, that is what i do.
650-IS350
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I want to be your friend! Same here bro, I want to be everyones bud here on Zoaforums as this is basically my home away from home on my local forum. I'm here more than any form so I want to help anyone here in any way possible. Discussions are discussions to me and should never ever take more than that.
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