47G SPS...Revamp

[sahin]

These are great Sahin! I'm so happy that things have turned around for you and don't worry too much about the picture quality(the blueness), we understand. One way to compensate though would be to turn all blue LEDs off, as well as some of the blue tubes, and crank the red and white up on the LEDs. It will look way redder and kinda ugly in person but the camera will see it as more blue and it might even balance out to look the way your eye sees it...

Thank buddy. I am going to try and pickup a decent used camera soon. Might pickup a used Nikon D90. It can record videos and does decent white balance too.

Very nice so what are u dosing now and are you running zeo

None buddy. I did ad zeolites a while back, but took it out again as the wife booked a short holiday and I didnt want to risk the corals.
I am not dosing no Zeobac or Prodibio now as the nutrients are so low. I cant get NO3 and PO4 up despite gross overfeeding.

Videos are fantastic, I really appreciate being able to see the flow and exactly how the corals are looking.

No problem buddy. I'm fairly happy with the tank now. Still scared of AEFW's and random dipping has showed no issues.

Love the vids, Sahin! Tanks looks like it doesn't even remember the dark days of dipping and waiting.
That red planet really shines. The blue tort is really nice as well.
I love the pink dragon type acro as well..
Really nice!
You don't see those bristle tooth tangs very often. Over here, it's called a tomini tang. They are good algae scrapers and not to aggressive.

Thanks. Its crazy how, when I think back to the moment I discovered AEFW's I remember my heart sank. I dreaded the whole dipping and QT process and the thought of losing much of my acros.

But so far so good.

I really like the Tomini Tang. No one was buying him as he isnt as nicely coloured as other tangs, but since they are known to be good algae eaters and dont grow as big as other tangs I just had to buy him.

Very nice video. Sahin, is your tank now completely out of this "new tank/rocks syndrome"? Looks like it!!! :thumbsup:

The tank is progressing well enough. And most of the frags that went in recently are holding their colour. Some have even thrown down nice bases.

Hi Sahin,

In post #425 (in relation to not having any green coloration on your red planet), you said "you tried everything ...".

I have no doubt that you have already read this, but this article written by Dana Riddle may shed some lights on this particular challenge that you face (skip to the concluding remarks if pressed for time).

Cheers

Bulent

I read that before, but I will read it again. I would have thought my light spectrum covered all the points for GFP to be fully enhanced in my tank.

I put the issue down to water quality. What are your thoughts on the best T5 combo? (ignore LED spectrum as I run 8 tubes and consider the LED's a bonus spectrum).

I have a combo of the following tubes available at my disposal:
ATI:
Coral+ x4
ABS x2
Blue+ x4
Actinic x3
Purple+x2

KZ:
New Gen x1

Giesemann:
Lagoon Blue x1
Actinic x1

GE:
6500K x2

PacSun:
Crystalblue x3
PigmentINT x1
Shallowwater x2

Would be nice to hear your thoughts about a potential T5 combo. Thanks.

 

[markalot]

Every time I try ABS I think my tank is crashing because it looks so awful. I know a lot of people use them but I really think I need 8 bulbs rather than 6 in order to hide the ugliness it produces.

 

[sahin]

Every time I try ABS I think my tank is crashing because it looks so awful. I know a lot of people use them but I really think I need 8 bulbs rather than 6 in order to hide the ugliness it produces.

If your tank is in A+ condition and corals coloring up; the ABS tube does wonders. The PacificSun Shallow water tube is basically the same; so I have plenty of these tubes to last my tank a while.

I had great success with this tube in the past. It contains all the right "ingredients". As soon as my tank starts to hit its former success, I will be switching to at least TWO of the ABS.

Checkout this video of Toms frag tank running on FOUR ABS and four Actinics:

Watch in HD; you'll be in for a treat if you havent already seen this video;


I used it in a FIVE tube combo with Blue LED's - ie my old ATI Sunpower that I modified.

 

[DiscusHeckel]

Sahin,

Where did you get GE 6500K? I looked for this tube in the past but could not locate it because GE did not supply it in 39W version in the UK. I bought Philips 6500 K instead.

When The Grim Reefer was the main contributor in the mother of all T5 threads, he always promoted this tube along with ATI blue + and ATI purple +. Once he left the thread people forgot about this tube.

 

[swk]

Wow - those are some amazing colors!

 

[westreef]

Sahin, how do you compare the tube AquaBlue+ from DD with AquaBlue Special from ATI?
I have some AB+ but not ABS.

 

[markalot]

Checkout this video of Toms frag tank running on FOUR ABS and four Actinics:

Watch in HD; you'll be in for a treat if you havent already seen this video;


I used it in a FIVE tube combo with Blue LED's - ie my old ATI Sunpower that I modified.

I've seen that and the colors are incredible, but apparently my tank is C- at the moment.

 

[mhucasey]

If your tank is in A+ condition and corals coloring up; the ABS tube does wonders. The PacificSun Shallow water tube is basically the same; so I have plenty of these tubes to last my tank a while.

I had great success with this tube in the past. It contains all the right "ingredients". As soon as my tank starts to hit its former success, I will be switching to at least TWO of the ABS.

Checkout this video of Toms frag tank running on FOUR ABS and four Actinics:

Watch in HD; you'll be in for a treat if you havent already seen this video;


I used it in a FIVE tube combo with Blue LED's - ie my old ATI Sunpower that I modified.

In the twelve bulbs above my shallow reef, I currently have four ABS, I may go up to 5. Nothing is like the ABS type bulb, I don't know if its the massive green peak, but it gets the corals growing.

For the twelve bulbs, I have two Fiji purple and six blue bulbs(a mix of blue plus, super blue, and Actinic blue). When combined with a Fiji Purple the color is quite good IMO.

 

[sahin]

Sahin,
Where did you get GE 6500K? I looked for this tube in the past but could not locate it because GE did not supply it in 39W version in the UK. I bought Philips 6500 K instead.
When The Grim Reefer was the main contributor in the mother of all T5 threads, he always promoted this tube along with ATI blue + and ATI purple +. Once he left the thread people forgot about this tube.

I got these tubes a year or so back; never used them as I have the ATI ABS tubes. I may have got them from Fastlight; you can check with faslight; they dont stock it anymore, but at least they can confirm if they stocked it in the past. The ABS is a good replacment for the GE 6.5K tube. I think Pacific Sun have a tube which is about 10K; it is for freshwater...I know you arent too keen on their tubes. I am going to test their tubes in the next few months. Put both ATI and Pacsun equivalent tubes and run the tubes for a couple of months. I forgot to take starting PAR values this time round.

Wow - those are some amazing colors!

Yeah, the colours in Tom's tank is awesome.

Sahin, how do you compare the tube AquaBlue+ from DD with AquaBlue Special from ATI?
I have some AB+ but not ABS.

They are equivalent tubes. I cannot locate it now, but I had access to a database of an asian reefkeeping forum; they read the spectrums of most of the tubes from:
ATI
KZ
D&D
Geisemann
Aquamedic

KZ NewGen, ATI Coral+ and Giesemann Blue Lagoon (now renamed to something different) are all unique tubes. I'm not 100% sure about the KZ Superblue and whether it is same as the ATI blue+. However, ALL the rest are the same. eg I know that the KZ Fiji Pink and ATI purple+ are the same. I have the tubes; they look the same. The spectrum measurements from two different sources say it is the same. KZ and ATI tubes are also made in the same factory.
PacificSun did spectral readings and provided these in one of the long threads in the equipment forum some time back which shows the same thing.

I've seen that and the colors are incredible, but apparently my tank is C- at the moment.

Your tank is getting better colours...just a matter of time now. Some of your coral colours look pretty good already.

In the twelve bulbs above my shallow reef, I currently have four ABS, I may go up to 5. Nothing is like the ABS type bulb, I don't know if its the massive green peak, but it gets the corals growing.
For the twelve bulbs, I have two Fiji purple and six blue bulbs(a mix of blue plus, super blue, and Actinic blue). When combined with a Fiji Purple the color is quite good IMO.

Yeah I said it many times that this is a good tube; most people dont like it; they say it washes out colours. But I've seen this tube on my LFS tank with a combo of ABS/Blue+/Coral+/Purple+ over their large display...They had at least 3 ABS tubes in the combo...the colours were incredible.

 

[DiscusHeckel]

I got these tubes a year or so back; never used them as I have the ATI ABS tubes. I may have got them from Fastlight; you can check with faslight; they dont stock it anymore, but at least they can confirm if they stocked it in the past. The ABS is a good replacment for the GE 6.5K tube. I think Pacific Sun have a tube which is about 10K; it is for freshwater...I know you arent too keen on their tubes. I am going to test their tubes in the next few months. Put both ATI and Pacsun equivalent tubes and run the tubes for a couple of months. I forgot to take starting PAR values this time round.

Thanks.

As you know you can also use a cheap lux meter to measure light intensity. Have you got one? If you have not, then you are welcome to borrow mine. I am going to be in London this Sunday very briefly (just for a few hours).

I liked PS tubes that I used, but was not impressed with the speed with which their intensity dropped. I can get ATI Blue + tubes just under 13 Euros and other ATI tubes just under 17 Euros (plus pp) from Germany. So for me to use PS tubes, their price ought to be less than 6 Euro each considering they require replacement every six months or even more frequently (if my experiment holds water).

 

[DiscusHeckel]

KZ NewGen, ATI Coral+ and Giesemann Blue Lagoon (now renamed to something different) are all unique tubes. I'm not 100% sure about the KZ Superblue and whether it is same as the ATI blue+. However, ALL the rest are the same. eg I know that the KZ Fiji Pink and ATI purple+ are the same. I have the tubes; they look the same. The spectrum measurements from two different sources say it is the same. KZ and ATI tubes are also made in the same factory.

PacificSun did spectral readings and provided these in one of the long threads in the equipment forum some time back which shows the same thing.

Sahin,

I used both KZ fiji pink and ATI purple plus in the past. They are not the same tube even though they may be produced in the same factory. Pacific Sun produced spectrum charts for various brands. You can see that both tubes are different:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22806656&postcount=144

FWIW, I prefer KZ Fiji pink.

 

[sahin]

Sahin,

I used both KZ fiji pink and ATI purple plus in the past. They are not the same tube even though they may be produced in the same factory. Pacific Sun produced spectrum charts for various brands. You can see that both tubes are different:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22806656&postcount=144

FWIW, I prefer KZ Fiji pink.

I looked at the spectrum. Slightly lower blue output and slightly higher green output on the KZ tube. However, on a sample size of only 1 tube, I would charecterise it as broadly similar if you consider that overal spectrum and the spectral signature. We also dont know which year which tube was made etc. I'd bet if we got 3 new tubes from 2010, 2013 and 2015 rom KZ we would notice slight differences. I recall that when Sanjay did his MH bulb testing, he always mentioned that on a sample size of of only 1 bulb, to be aware that there may be slight differences between bulbs.

Thanks.

As you know you can also use a cheap lux meter to measure light intensity. Have you got one? If you have not, then you are welcome to borrow mine. I am going to be in London this Sunday very briefly (just for a few hours).

I liked PS tubes that I used, but was not impressed with the speed with which their intensity dropped. I can get ATI Blue + tubes just under 13 Euros and other ATI tubes just under 17 Euros (plus pp) from Germany. So for me to use PS tubes, their price ought to be less than 6 Euro each considering they require replacement every six months or even more frequently (if my experiment holds water).

I have the Apogee MQ-200 PAR meter. So thank you, but not needed.

With regards to the PacSun tubes, I need to try out some of their wide spectrum UV/Blue tubes. Those look impressive on paper. I might try some out; but will measure PAR at start and after 3 months and compare to ATI at same time. More T5 bulb choices = good news for our corals. And T5 is here to stay for a while.

 

[Reefvet]

In the twelve bulbs above my shallow reef, I currently have four ABS, I may go up to 5. Nothing is like the ABS type bulb, I don't know if its the massive green peak, but it gets the corals growing.

ABS is the highest PAR of the ATI bulbs because it's a full spectrum bulb with added blue. So it would make sense that it has a noticeable effect on coral growth.

 

[sahin]

OK, took a bunch of photos over past week. The FTS was taken today. Growth has started to take off on some of the frags. I attribute this to having started the full Fauna Marin Balling Lite System (complete with Trace Elements).

FTS:

New frag from my friend Ahmed; colour palette is very similar to the Pearlberry...hope it colours up well:

One I call my Rainbow Millepora, growth taking off (lost some of the deeper Purple on the corallites since I took off the ABS tubes:

Closeup of one of my Red Planet Colonies (you've probably seen enough of this one, but it looks great):

Green Turaki (in indirect light):

This one is another one with multiple colours; Blue tips, purple corallites, and green polyps around base:

This one is now growing nicely (ANY ID's?):

Small frag, but I have high hopes this will turn into a stunning colony:

 

[sahin]

Blue Tort is growing fast now, dipped it recently as part of my routine check, lost slight colour but still looks great:

So happy I picked up the Bubblegum Millepora, being hit with about 450 PAR:

Macro of nice Pink Millepora (had better colour but I moved it down slightly to accommodate new frags and lost some colour as well as its lime growth ring:

Better shot of the Bubblegum Millepora, hard to capture the blue tips as its in a BRIGHT area:

Strawberry SSC frag, has held its colour for the past 4 week, has grown over the superglue too:

 

[menard]

Man those r freaking awesome pics. my friend.:beer:

 

[westreef]

Wow all these from the ATI hybrid lights!!! I love the reddish and pink color sticks.
What is this full Fauna Marin Balling Lite System ?

 

[reefmutt]

Beauty!!! Pure and simple.
Great pics and awesome health.
What software are using for post production?
The picture quality is top notch... Not to mention the corals..

 

[aggie13reef]

Sahin, I've been following the thread for a while and finally decided to chime in. Amazing colors and growth! That new frag similar to Pearlberry is going to be a stunning colony. Also that red planet is pretty awesome. I almost bought a frag of red planet at the LFS the other day but passed. Wish I wouldn't have. Inspiring tank for sure!

 

[stonecold]

(ANY ID's?):

If you don't know, go with the flow and make your own....Sahin's Blue Passion.

Your colors are so vibrant! AWESOME job.