AEFW - zeo treatment worth it?

Allmost said:
yes, if something doesnt work for someone, its snake oil, doesnt matter how many others it worked for.

my tank is ran with Zeovit, and ever since dosing this, I see no more AEFW, nor red bugs, and corals are alot more colorful.


are amino acids snake oil ? cause some ppl dose it and get algae and no boost in coral growth, but when I dose it my corals grow faster ?

I dunno ...

one note though, is that you should put this [FWS] as a food source. not mineral source. and as we all know, all types of flatworms and red bugs and planaria multiply ALOT faster when there is too much "food" in water! so perhaps something to look at. I had to cut down on my Xtra dosing, and stop dosing CV one week into dosing this.
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Like I said, I am not bashing KZ products. I actually think the Zeo System is very efficient and achieves the end result. I also use some of their products and know they work.

However, this is one that it seems to be snake oil.

I honestly would like to see this or another product work against AEFW's. I dont care who's product works. I dont have AEFW's but am always fearful of them. So as long as someones product works for sure, them myself and so many others would be very happy.

Snake oil or not. If this product works as you say it does, we will know for sure within a year as that would have been a sufficient length of time for most SPS keepers to know the whether it has a real effect on AEFW's.

I've talked to a few LFS's who use the product on some of their tanks and so far none have reported to seeing any real effects.

I guess time will show.
 
sahin said:
Like I said, I am not bashing KZ products. I actually think the Zeo System is very efficient and achieves the end result. I also use some of their products and know they work.

However, this is one that it seems to be snake oil.

I honestly would like to see this or another product work against AEFW's. I dont care who's product works. I dont have AEFW's but am always fearful of them. So as long as someones product works for sure, them myself and so many others would be very happy.

Snake oil or not. If this product works as you say it does, we will know for sure within a year as that would have been a sufficient length of time for most SPS keepers to know the whether it has a real effect on AEFW's.

I've talked to a few LFS's who use the product on some of their tanks and so far none have reported to seeing any real effects.

I guess time will show.
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I agree with you partially. AEFW treatment that works 100% would make someone or some company REALLY rich, and make many SPS keepers VERY happy :) including me.

I just dont see/know why and how u can call something snake oil, if you dont even have AEFW to deal with to see or not see results ! :)

doesnt that make sense ? a person with no headache, is NOT a judge on how well advil works on headache :)

the product was originlly made for color enhansing Acros. it was later observed that it helps make corals healthier and produce more slime, and in turned lower AEFW damage, and made colors of acros better. more healthy the more resistant one has to pests.
 
Allmost said:
I agree with you partially. AEFW treatment that works 100% would make someone or some company REALLY rich, and make many SPS keepers VERY happy :) including me.

I just dont see/know why and how u can call something snake oil, if you dont even have AEFW to deal with to see or not see results ! :)

doesnt that make sense ? a person with no headache, is NOT a judge on how well advil works on headache :)

the product was originlly made for color enhansing Acros. it was later observed that it helps make corals healthier and produce more slime, and in turned lower AEFW damage, and made colors of acros better. more healthy the more resistant one has to pests.
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Yes, I see your point regarding if I havent tested it myself how can I call it X or Y. I am basing my judgment on reports I have heard from LFS keepers, who in truth would be more likely to say that it works and sell the stuff...but have told me they havent seen any effect.

I have also been following at least 3 large forums on the net and reading the reports of real users. These are people who are going through the heartache of losing their precious corals. Some have a handle on the AEFW situation by using basting and via predation control, but still using the product to see if it can make their life easier.

So, whilst its not my own experiance, it is experiance from some very good reefkeepers and a few LFS keepers I trust.

Having said that, I would be very happy if this did really work.
 
Here's my report. I've been battling aefw for about 4 months now. Been doing dips twice a week on the acros that show sign of bite marks with coral rx. Also been blasting all acros with a maxijet twice a week. I lost a large colony of bonsai, colony of ora german blue, and a few smaller frags.

I started flatworm stop about a month ago. I stopped dipping the corals after starting fws. I run a full zeo setup also. I haven't seen any fw since about 1 week ago. No bite mark neither. I still blasting the corals and haven't seen any.

I'm not saying that the fws work or that I'm aefw free. I did also added a melanrus wrasse about a month ago also. Not sure how much damage he done. I have noticed a lot more PE on my acro since dosing my tank. The colors are better also. I'm hopeing that fws is making my acros happier and healtier, therefore fending off the aefw. I'll continue to post my results in a few weeks.
 
minhvu said:
Here's my report. I've been battling aefw for about 4 months now. Been doing dips twice a week on the acros that show sign of bite marks with coral rx. Also been blasting all acros with a maxijet twice a week. I lost a large colony of bonsai, colony of ora german blue, and a few smaller frags.

I started flatworm stop about a month ago. I stopped dipping the corals after starting fws. I run a full zeo setup also. I haven't seen any fw since about 1 week ago. No bite mark neither. I still blasting the corals and haven't seen any.

I'm not saying that the fws work or that I'm aefw free. I did also added a melanrus wrasse about a month ago also. Not sure how much damage he done. I have noticed a lot more PE on my acro since dosing my tank. The colors are better also. I'm hopeing that fws is making my acros happier and healtier, therefore fending off the aefw. I'll continue to post my results in a few weeks.
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Thanks for the update Minh,
I swear every person that has had good luck with this stuff is running zeo tanks. I have to wonder if there was any testing done on non-zeo tanks. I'm starting to think what it seems to do is illict a feeding response from the corals which if you are running a carbon based reef will allow the corals to uptake more food that you are already adding to the water? I donnu.
 
Mammoth, still no change in the color of coral tissue ?

any change in growth of algae in ure fuge ?

thanks :)
 
Allmost said:
Mammoth, still no change in the color of coral tissue ?

any change in growth of algae in ure fuge ?

thanks :)
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No improvement in colour no. If anything some things aren't quite as vibrant as before, but I can't blame that on flatworm stop. I chalk that up however to how bad the red bugs had gotten before I got fed up and interceptor the tank earlier in the week. I feel like within a month I went from red bugs on 1 piece that I dipped to try to curb them before it got to late to the entire tank & frag tank being over run. The final straw for me was when I noticed what had been a stable (slightly decreasing) amount to dose of ALK/CALC turned into a rapidly increasing amount. (Meaning the corals stopped growing). I had to cut back the dosing to prevent swings, and deal with the red bugs. I had another non-related issue to with some parameter swings (but luckily no causalities as a result). Everything is back on track as of last nite , but it's going to (like always) take a little while before the colour comes back around.

The one thing I am leaning towards flatworm stop changing is the coluration of a few "blue" pieces that have some what "grey'd/washed out" since using the product I didn't really put 1:1 together until today. I finally got a response from Thomas Phol on the zeovit forum. He recommends the following.


"Dear Brahm,
we have faster results on some testing Tanks when we dose FWS & K Balance in a glass, both 1ml/100L ,wait one minute and dose that in the tank per day. You also can dose that 2 times per day, that is no problem and get quicker to a better result. Test that 2 weeks then we speak again.

To take a tank free takes 3 Month and more.

Th.Pohl "

I'm awaiting clarification as to if he is recommending I dose double the amount, or if I split my dose between 2 doses. I do find it interesting he is recommending I use K-Balance now. Which makes me wonder if flatworm stop is some how causing my corals to utilize more then they normal would in terms of potassium. (which is something that can happen when using zeo, and other carbon dosing methods). This would explain the washed out blues, but I am a little skeptical in regards to having a potassium issue as it would also be apparent in my montiporas which are doing VERY GOOD right now both in terms of proper colouration and growth. I am not one to be shy of regular water changes. Either way I'm going to buy a potassium test kit and see where I am at. Low potassium could be a short falling of IO I just won't know until I test.

As far as algae. I don't have a fuge. My frag tank has become some what of a fuge for bubble algae, but I try to pull it out whenever I get a free moment. It's growth seems to more so depend on how good of a job I do removing it and what's left to repopulate. At one point I tried to add some cheato into the frag tank in hopes it would become the dominant algae over the bubble (which is a pest), but it had no traction with that effort.
 
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3 month dosers

3 month dosers

im not ready to rule this out until someone who has dosed the product for the recommended dosage of 3 months and more. people jumping on the product before the expected time doesnt tell me anything. this product has been out since what ,february? once i hear people in june talk about how the product doiesnt work then we can call it "snake oil" but for now NO ONE should be bashing it quite yet
 
bigbuckdown said:
im not ready to rule this out until someone who has dosed the product for the recommended dosage of 3 months and more. people jumping on the product before the expected time doesnt tell me anything. this product has been out since what ,february? once i hear people in june talk about how the product doiesnt work then we can call it "snake oil" but for now NO ONE should be bashing it quite yet
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I hope you are not inferring that I'm bashing it. I'm still dosing it, and will do so for the FULL required/recommended period. I am just posting updates as things unfold so people will know what to expect based on my experiences.

With that said I did just receive this response with an explanation for usage w/K-balance.

"Brahm,
you dose :
Daily 1ml FWS and 1ml K Balance for 100L.

When you need quicker result you dose:

Daily 2ml FWS and 2ml K Balance for 100L.


Th.Pohl "
 
im not saying you im on many different web sites and i see what people are writing and none of them has done the full 3 month treatment. i havent tried it yet but i did order. it. just saying no matter what comes out people jump on the product before its fully tested in there tank.if you started this treatment say jan 27 and you are saying you have just as many flatworms as before then yes this product just is snake oil. people need to be more optimistic in this hobby and less negative and you will have more fun :)
 
I do not have any flat worms but was using it for a preventative and to help my new frags grow healthier.
I have noticed that my water has a haze on the surface. Like a residue.
My glass also needed to be cleaned more often.
I run a zeovit system. I cut the dosage in half and dose every other day.

Since then my water looks better on the surface and do not have to clean the glass as much.

Maybe it is snake oil LOL thats why I have an oil slick on the surface LOL
It also made the skimmer work a lot. I will finish the bottle and might sell the other one. I will still keep on eye on everyones progress.

I am scared of getting Flat worms again.
 
following this thread with great interest

MammothReefer, thanks for the frequent updates and taking the time to communicate your findings. This thread will decide if it works for me.

I am reluctant to think a supplement company could come up with such a cure, but am certainly hoping they did!
 
I dont know what happened, over a long period of time i dident see any changes, i could still see bitemarks now and then, and it was like the problem came and went, how ever, the last month i havent seen any sign of them. I cant tell if it works or not, but my problem is now gone, could be a combination of the product and my wrasses. Any way i will probaly get another bottle, and keep using it, and see what happens..

no change in color on the sps though :)
 
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