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More to the point 10-15 yrs ago QT didn't exist and they still had this guarantee. Heck now people still don't QT

What the hell are you talking about?
When I started with saltwater in 1978 back in Germany, all the books I had strongly advised to quarantine or even prophylactically treat new fish.

Skimmers were standard equipment on tanks and wet dry bio filter just got into widespread use.
Even live rock was already available and widely used then.
 
Case in point Matt (Caribfan) had a Arabian BF he had for 4 months that suddenly died for no reason and didn't like any sort of change in the least bit. I bought one too, mine live for just under 3 weeks. I lost a few things to unknown illness though at the same time. Point is I need reassurance from DD/LA

No one can give you a long term guarantee on living organisms. It's like with people - some die of a heart attack at 20 while others live a hundred years. Fish are no different.

My point, don't spend money on a fish (or invert) that you are not willing to lose.
 
I think all these designer clowns are overpriced.

In the defense of the Amphiprion latezonatus, it's not technically a "designer" clown. However that CB one is downright ugly and does absolutely no justice for the species.
 
What the hell are you talking about?
When I started with saltwater in 1978 back in Germany, all the books I had strongly advised to quarantine or even prophylactically treat new fish.

Skimmers were standard equipment on tanks and wet dry bio filter just got into widespread use.
Even live rock was already available and widely used then.

Wrong wording. Obviously it WAS done but you didn't heard about it nearly as much nor was it widely publicized how,what,where,when,ect... Also you had copper to treat with and not much else. My point was it has come along way. I asked this about expensive fish they sell since most of the time you call and say the fish didn't make it and they offer a refund or to reship the fish in question with no body needed. Just goes back to my question of if its worth spend 4K on a Clarion from DD for the 2 weeks or to buy one that costs 1700$ and doesn't have the two weeks... I think everyone gets that
 
No one can give you a long term guarantee on living organisms. It's like with people - some die of a heart attack at 20 while others live a hundred years. Fish are no different.

My point, don't spend money on a fish (or invert) that you are not willing to lose.

I'm not looking for a long term guarantee I just want to know what happens if the couple thousand dollar fish dies and no body is recovered then what happens as far as the "hassle free guarantee" goes. I can assure you it has happened before, I was looking for info on how it turned out for the buyer is all.
 
Wrong wording. Obviously it WAS done but you didn't heard about it nearly as much nor was it widely publicized how,what,where,when,ect... Also you had copper to treat with and not much else. My point was it has come along way. I asked this about expensive fish they sell since most of the time you call and say the fish didn't make it and they offer a refund or to reship the fish in question with no body needed. Just goes back to my question of if its worth spend 4K on a Clarion from DD for the 2 weeks or to buy one that costs 1700$ and doesn't have the two weeks... I think everyone gets that

Clarion are insanely tough fish- I have never had one drop dead, lol, or even get sick, knock on wood... you will be fine either way...really comes down to getting a tb or wc...
 
Clarion are insanely tough fish- I have never had one drop dead, lol, or even get sick, knock on wood... you will be fine either way...really comes down to getting a tb or wc...

I remember you telling me this before. The Clarion isn't what I was worried about. A Conspicuous that is more expensive is what I was really referring to since I certainly think a $4,000 Clarion is grossly overpriced. Wild caught is the only way to go when it comes to Clarions! I talk about these fish like its pocket change to me which couldn't be further from the truth. I just like nice things ( like the rest of us) and don't mind saving for things I want. Losing a 2500$ fish is nothing to laugh at regardless of how much money you make:fun4:
 
I remember you telling me this before. The Clarion isn't what I was worried about. A Conspicuous that is more expensive is what I was really referring to since I certainly think a $4,000 Clarion is grossly overpriced. Wild caught is the only way to go when it comes to Clarions! I talk about these fish like its pocket change to me which couldn't be further from the truth. I just like nice things ( like the rest of us) and don't mind saving for things I want. Losing a 2500$ fish is nothing to laugh at regardless of how much money you make:fun4:

Conspics are pretty tough fish too though not like a clarion. Def give them a form dip and then qt. Agree about the price of the tb and the look of the wc being superior. Hope to see tb clarion in the next year or so..
 
This is just my opinion, but if DD would refund for a fish that's missing (assumed dead) it would not make any business sense. The 14 day guarantee is definitely worked into the selling price of all the fish. Ultimately the cost of the dead fish is absorbed somewhere by someone. Without proof to the seller that the fish was deceased, it now becomes an issue of the seller judging the moral character of the customer. Is this customer legit or trying to defraud would be the question. I see your point of losing the fish in a big tank, but for a high value fish you are concerned about losing money on, that fish is would be by himself for the guarantee period just in case. For a $4k fish, I would strap a GoPro camera to that sucker and watch every breath it takes 😝
 
I get that it doesn't make a lot of sense from a buisness model standpoint but that's LA/DD policy that has been in place now for at least the last 20 years so somehow they make it work. I'm just curious to the logistics of it all, seems like from what I have gather from customer service if your worried about a high priced fish (thousands of dollars) disappearing then LA/DD probably isn't worth the 50-150% markup or maybe it is depending your outlook...
 
There is an inherit risk in buying anything living, regardless of price, especially when some of these living things are being shipped halfway around the world. I would never buy a fish, or living things, based solely on the guarantee policy or non-policy of a diver, collector, wholesaler, or lfs.
 
Wrong wording. Obviously it WAS done but you didn't heard about it nearly as much nor was it widely publicized how,what,where,when,ect... Also you had copper to treat with and not much else. My point was it has come along way.

The need for a proper quarantine was as well publicized in books as it is today, but back then you didn't have the internet to share your experiences easily on forums and message boards.

Copper was by no means the only measure of treatment, though I agree that back then it was seen as the cure-it-all go to treatment. Unfortunately this is still the case with many today.

Formalin, the different dyes (malachite green, methylene blue,...), Acriflavine, and the like where already well in use, though mostly by more experienced aquarists or those organized in clubs (and in Germany there were many of those)

Also Chloroquine Phosphate was already available, even if not widespread used for fish.

The things that really have come a long way are antibiotics - that was back in my beginner days rather trial and error and for sure nothing for beginners.

The real difference today is the widespread use of the internet that allows easy and quick sharing of experiences.

I asked this about expensive fish they sell since most of the time you call and say the fish didn't make it and they offer a refund or to reship the fish in question with no body needed. Just goes back to my question of if its worth spend 4K on a Clarion from DD for the 2 weeks or to buy one that costs 1700$ and doesn't have the two weeks... I think everyone gets that

Two weeks is not really cutting it with most fish, especially with super expensive ones. It's basically only protecting you against the fish coming with something like a deadly brook or velvet infection.
A fish caught with poison, one that never starts eating or one with a more slowly progressing disease may easily hold out longer before slowly wasting away weeks or months after the guarantee run out.

A guarantee would need to be 2 months (the minimum quarantine period IMO) to be of any value. Though no one will give you that since there are too many ways the "end-user" may screw up. The latter is the main reason why most stores only give you a guarantee on their livestock to their front door.

So I would rather go with the cheaper fish, at least as long as I can pick it out in person. And if I had the money to shell out on such a fish I would add the few bucks for a flight ticket to go there and check it out myself.
 
There is a peppermint hog fish that I have been eyeballing on DD. I never have seen one at a LFS before, but remember seeing one in one of J. Sprungs books
Looked today and they dropped it from 120 to 100. Im really interested now, main concern though is I have an open top tank, anyone have any experience with these guys? Do they like to go carpet surfing? It's not a rimless tank and I have 3 lyretail anthias that haven't hopped.

So before I drop a Franklin on this anyone have any objections? Things to think about?
 
Ember blenny super male



I keep missing them. I've ordered two from Walt Smith through an lfs and they keep coming in with worms. Second one was doa with a live worm in the bag. :-(
 
There is a peppermint hog fish that I have been eyeballing on DD. I never have seen one at a LFS before, but remember seeing one in one of J. Sprungs books
Looked today and they dropped it from 120 to 100. Im really interested now, main concern though is I have an open top tank, anyone have any experience with these guys? Do they like to go carpet surfing? It's not a rimless tank and I have 3 lyretail anthias that haven't hopped.

So before I drop a Franklin on this anyone have any objections? Things to think about?

I had a Yellow Candy Hogfish jump within a 2 week time span of purchasing it a year ago. I would say the Peppermint might be a good candidate to be a jumper as well. You should consider getting the mesh kit from BRS so you don't have to worry about your fish.
 
It's a good rule of thumb to assume all fish are jumpers and cover your tank with netting. You're usually never home to witness carpet surfing.
 
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