DSPS tank from Thailand (1000 gallon+)

roktsintst said:
Hi Ching,

I have been following your thread from the beginning and I always have loved it. This idea i'm not wild about. I recently fallowed my tank (took all my fish out) and left the tank fishless for 8 weeks. Manjos and bubble algea popped up EVERYWHERE! Well within a few days of adding my fish back in, the manjos are gone! The problem for you is that only large angels in my experience will eat them.

I have used Joe's Juice before and it doesn't work. It will be impossible for you to get them all off the coral/rock. Even if you get most of them, within a few weeks they will all be back. Trust me, i've done it. Then your tank will look worse because the corals are stressed from being removed and scraped.

What you are proposing is a short term fix. They will come back, I assure you. You need to find a long term solution. A kliens Butterfly should eat them and most likely will not nip your lps. If I were you, I would buy a few beautiful large angels. They will eat them(or at least they do for me). They may nip your lps but what you are proposing will be worse for your tank than a few bites in some LPS.

Either way I'll be folllowing along to see what happens. I wish you the best of luck and I have always loved your entire system!

Ryan
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Ryan. Thanks a lot.
I know that this method is not the best way to get rid of Majanos.
I will consider for the Butterfly and large Angels.
 
jgsalwater said:
"The year of the Dragon:
It's about time to renovate my poor tank. This action will be taken by this weakend.
The outbreak of Majano anemone is over-control. I will take out most of the corals and get rid of them by using Joesjuice.
Then putting back all corals and do some major aquascape.
Hope the tank will look better. (or maybe worse)"

Ching,

Two points based on my experience trying to control Majano anemone: Over the years I have had several outbreaks of Majano. Copperband Butterflies have worked every time.

1) Joesjuice does work but going to all the effort you are talking about will still not be a guarantee that Majano will not return. Once they are in you tank the best you can hope for is controlling them. They will just break out again.

2) I have found Copperband Butterflies to be much more effective in keeping them in check. The Copperbands often appear not to be interested in eating them at first and it may take a month for them to start eating the majano and then all of a sudden the Majano start to disappear.

The problem with Copperbands is that they can be finicky eaters and can slowly starve to death once the majano are gone. I have found Copperband will often reject any dry food or pellets, slowly starving to death.

I have found following some of the receipts on different web sites for making your own food, by very finely chopping ( 1/16th on an inch) up mussels, claims, oysters, shrimp, scallop, (what ever you can find in a seafood market) and then mixing in whatever dry food or liquid you have on hand, making a slurry; which I then pour into ice cube trays and freezing the mix. This solves the Copperband not getting enough food issue. Just drop a cube into the tank once a day and watch the feeding frenzy of the all fish and coral.

Both my coral and fish growth has increased dramatically feeding the fresh frozen mix. My Copperband is fat and is the first one in line to eat.
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jgsalwater. Thank you so much.
 
chingchai said:
Ryan. Thanks a lot.
I know that this method is not the best way to get rid of Majanos.
I will consider for the Butterfly and large Angels.
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Sir,If you decided to have one large angel
May I suggest large adult scribble angel from Australia
By far the most beautiful large angel I have seen and it doesnt break the bank.
 
Sorry for posting this...
But have you read the text in the survivallaser link?
They state, that the protective glasses will only protect your eyes from reflections on non reflecting surfaces...
Doesn't this mean, that you'll go blind, even if you wear the protective glasses and catching a reflection on your tank-frontglass?

I prefer taking out all living rocks then.
Ralf
 
something tells me thats not the best or fastest way to handle aiptasia . personally i would pull the rock . then treat it in a qt . But it does look like fun :)
 
Taking the rock out of a 55 or even a 240 is a lot of work but do-able to control a major outbreak of something nasty like those pest anemones. However, a tank as big as mine its really too much for most people to do (420 gal) now amp that up another couple of levels to nearly 1400 gal and well, having something that you can point and shoot would be a real boom

With that said: I purposefully keep those anemones in the refugium as part of my filtering program. I almost never see that pest in the display though because of my little helper shrimp. I never see the shrimp anymore but still find a shed skeleton from time to time

Of course every system has different problems and challenges making the shrimp a great option for some and terrible for others. I am pretty sure Peter's team has gone through about every option natural and through intersection by our own hands. I think here will be one of those places where "best practice" is highly dependent upon system size and inhabitants.

I am interested to hear what plan Team Toronto settles on and the long-term results. If this lasering idea turns out to work very well and safer than it appears at first glance to me, it would be a great purchase for a local store or reef club to rent out to members.
 
Chingchai,
I have been reading your updates for some time now but I feel like i should chime in here with regards to using lasers since I study and work with lasers everyday. And in no way would I agree with shooting a laser into your tank whether its through the acrylic or the top which would be much much worse.

There is a tremendous amount of radiation at many different wavelengths even though the primary wave length is perhaps fairly safe, it emits harmful wavelengths that are invisible and dangerous. Even in one of those sites that were listed above it states "However, NEVER look directly into any laser beam or its reflection even when wearing these goggles"

Lasers do not penetrate water well and refract upon hitting the surface increasing the scattered radiation. Without getting too technical, I will just say I strongly advise you don't. For those that are interested in this topic or have any questions please feel free to contact me directly.

Cheers
Rob
 
Padrino said:
Chingchai,
I have been reading your updates for some time now but I feel like i should chime in here with regards to using lasers since I study and work with lasers everyday. And in no way would I agree with shooting a laser into your tank whether its through the acrylic or the top which would be much much worse.

There is a tremendous amount of radiation at many different wavelengths even though the primary wave length is perhaps fairly safe, it emits harmful wavelengths that are invisible and dangerous. Even in one of those sites that were listed above it states "However, NEVER look directly into any laser beam or its reflection even when wearing these goggles"

Lasers do not penetrate water well and refract upon hitting the surface increasing the scattered radiation. Without getting too technical, I will just say I strongly advise you don't. For those that are interested in this topic or have any questions please feel free to contact me directly.

Cheers
Rob
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Yeah if it's hot enough to burn wood I would think that it would do glass or acrylic no good not to mention your own health!
 
I suspected much of the same but lack enough of a tech background to make that statement myself.

Hopefully there is a way to get ahead of the big ones then employ biological controllers. I hope I am not getting my threads confused but it seems to me that Mr. Wilson talked a bit about bio control of pests but don't remember for sure what results they found on Peter's tank.

I worry about trying to keep a fish that eats pest anemones long term as they need much more food than the shrimps that I use
Although many others claim that the fish work well and have a fine long life in their tanks
 
Guys. Thank you so much for your all kind comments.
I confirm that I will not use laser.
I did try it once and realise the crucial affect to the eye contact.

Taking out of all the rock work seems to be the best way. But too hard to do.
I also worry about my fishes.
Let me think what should I do....
 
Speaking of large angels, Jawsee has 2 True Personifers, Conspic angel, Goldflakes, etc.

Thats if some large angelfish can help your situation. They would be some fine additions.
 
Sorry if I missed this but noticed your majano problem. You've probably already tried this but 2 bristletailed filefish (Acreichthys tomentosus) completely cleaned out my majano problem. I would imagine 8-10 would do the job in yours (my tank is a 270)
 
chingchai said:
Guys. Thank you so much for your all kind comments.
I confirm that I will not use laser.
I did try it once and realise the crucial affect to the eye contact.

Taking out of all the rock work seems to be the best way. But too hard to do.
I also worry about my fishes.
Let me think what should I do....
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Chingchai, I can't take too much time because I am about too tee off in Orlando Florida but I do NOT have any aptasia in my display tank at all. I did have an invasion of them in the early days but the best and completely 100% effective thing I did was to put 200 peppermint shrimp in the tank. It took about a month to see them start to work but they ate every one and I cant find any aptasia in my display tank.

More later when I get back tonight

Peter
 
Ask Paul B for a solution to your majano problem. Good luck with the changes on your tank. Your friend Mafia tank looking great with the led lighting.
 
roni said:
Sorry if I missed this but noticed your majano problem. You've probably already tried this but 2 bristletailed filefish (Acreichthys tomentosus) completely cleaned out my majano problem. I would imagine 8-10 would do the job in yours (my tank is a 270)
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roni. Thanks a lot.
But I can't find this fish here yet.
Can you or anybody recommend where I can buy them?
 
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