Jebao Cross Flow Pump
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soulpatch
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Careful on this one as Apple stole a lot from phones like the LG Prada and such. Then they turned and used the system to protect a rectangular device with rounded corners...Sure some manufactorers (Samsung) have been found guilty of taking design and other cues from Apple but it goes the other way as well. Then you have the university of Wisconsin sueing Apple for stealing its tech just hitting the press the other week. Everyone does it and in today's world rarely are people first.
The entire patent system is screwed up in many ways. I disagree with a lot of the things that are able to get protection. Consumers pay double the price increase for the company to be greedy and then more to pay for the lawsuits.
That ALL said I am exicted for this and hope the price point is lowered. I like my gyre now that I got the rugged blades but find the controller lacking and the company to be slow to adapt. Jebao might not have customer service either but you can buy a second or third unit for same as one of the bigger names.
that Fish Guy
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What Power Heads do you prefer? Vortechs?
that Fish Guy
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d2mini
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I like the vortechs and tunze. Haven't tried the jaebos.
I really liked the idea of the gyre, just wasn't a fan of the execution... not one bit. Maybe for half the price.
TheReeferer
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I support Jebao. Most pet product manufacturers take their customers for a ride on everything they sell, the margins are ridiculous. It's good to have affordable equipment so anyone can enjoy the hobby.
jason2459
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I agree coming from Tunze myself that the gyres feeling of quality and sturdyness is lacking. They fixed most all the original issues but still not like a high quality piece of equipment. But the flow and what I've arranged mine to do has completely won me over. And I've had a ton of fun creating a ramping up and down changing direction tidal gyre based and timed on the Lunar cycles.
shifty51008
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There is a reason stuff for aquariums and even for other hobby supplies have a higher markup than lets say hair products, toys ect. But that isnt for this thread.
jrp1588
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Yeah, for the most part we're a niche market with deep wallets. Makes for low volume and little incentive to lower prices. I don't necessarily agree with their business practices, but I'm glad they're around to make reefing affordable for poor kids like me. Haha
ganjero
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No, I don't see why people want to spend money in these poorly design pumps. Gyre flow is nothing new and it can be easily achieved with powerheads (in your case 2 RWs), and if you don't like it you can till use the same powerheads to create a different type of flow.
I still remember when the DIY maximods started poping, people were using them to create gyre flow and of course you got a ton of people saying that gyre flow wasn't enough for our tanks. Now a company makes a pump that looks different, creates some fancy videos about how beneficial gyre flow is and everyone "needs" one.
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If you don't want your product to get ripped, don't build it in China.
ganjero makes an excellent point. Gyre = laminar flow. We want surge. I dove a reef yesterday in 30 fsw and the back and forth surge was incredibly strong with gorgonians really moving. That's what we want in our tanks.
When I first saw the design I knew immediately this was not a product I would buy. Not because it was made in China, the price, quality issues, etc. But because it's not the right flow. It would be perfect to replicate a river, not a reef. IMO, wavemakers and surge devices are the standard. However, that doesn't mean laminar flow will retard coral growth, but we are attempting to recreate the ocean in our tanks, not rivers.
ganjero makes an excellent point. Gyre = laminar flow. We want surge. I dove a reef yesterday in 30 fsw and the back and forth surge was incredibly strong with gorgonians really moving. That's what we want in our tanks.
When I first saw the design I knew immediately this was not a product I would buy. Not because it was made in China, the price, quality issues, etc. But because it's not the right flow. It would be perfect to replicate a river, not a reef. IMO, wavemakers and surge devices are the standard. However, that doesn't mean laminar flow will retard coral growth, but we are attempting to recreate the ocean in our tanks, not rivers.
karimwassef
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Laminar just means the opposite of turbulent. The point with this kind of propeller is that you can create a sheet of flow vs a traditional cone of flow from a powerhead. You can have it cycle up and down to create pulses of current flow and with enough power, it'll create a sheet of powerful current flow. If you use that to create a circulating current, you would simulate the reef quite well.
I have no experience with the gyre, but all the videos I've seen the flow is just a one directional laminar sheet of flow either circulating the water horizontally from top to bottom or front to back around the perimeter of the tank.
I have not seen it produce back and forth surge like what's created by a wavemaker. The term wavemaker is really a bad term too. It should be called a surgemaker. Waves are on the surface not below the water.
I have not seen it produce back and forth surge like what's created by a wavemaker. The term wavemaker is really a bad term too. It should be called a surgemaker. Waves are on the surface not below the water.
jrp1588
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Knowing how Jebao does their controllers, I'm betting they'll be set up a lot like the RW's. Probably can antisync 2 of them wirelessly. They'll be cheap, so get 2. Then you'll have alternating surges.
Ron Reefman
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ganjero
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Nobody needs one.Hence the quotation marks But if they like the idea and want one (or two) why do you care?I don't care, I just answered the question I quoted, with a bit of my personal view
How is your tank doing? I haven't seen pictures of it in a while. Do you have a thread for your tank?
jason2459
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There's all kinds of flow out there depending on where you dive. There certainly is areas of constant single direction flow. Golf stream comes to mind where I grew up fishing big fish. There's areas where there's changes in direction one or more times a day in tidal zones like the canals and channels I used to swim up and down to get out to the ocean. Then there certainly are turbulent areas of constant change. Shallow reef zones like Grecian rocks comes to mind is like that.
that Fish Guy
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So do you like the Vortechs then?
I just got Two Vortechs (MP-10 Quiet Drives) and Love them but I am not an expert on Flow (Have been using Hydor Koralias for the Last 6 Years on all My Tanks).
I was going to do Gyres on my Next Build to Compare Gyres to Vortechs to see which I like better.
Lately everyone has been saying Gyres are waaaaaay better than Vortechs.
So you are saying they are Wrong?
Do you use Vortechs or another Type of Pump?
What are the Best Pumps for the "Back and Forth Surge" you are Talking about?
Ron Reefman
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Thanks for asking. I just rebuilt my OceansMotions CL system for the first time in 5 years. It failed due to a magnet getting wet, rusting and expanding enough to stop the motor. I got a new mag drive unit and it's a much improved quality and the side that can get wet is now encased in plastic. Very cool.
I just did a major frag event and made room for corals to grow again, so the tank looks kind of 'new' with smaller colonies. But everybody is healthy. I've been 'away' from RC for awhile; A) I'm on never ending probation (please reconsider RC), B) Being retired has made my life much more active and busy! C) I've started back into performance driving (auto-cross and PDX- SCCA Performance Driving eXperience).
I have the OM CL with 3 revolution heads (so very random flow patterns). I have 2 Jebao WP40 wave makers. And my sump return is split into 2 lines at opposite ends of the tank and runs through a SCWD so the flow alternates. I think random, turbulent flow that changes is really good for the tank (pretty obvious given my set up, right?). But I'd consider swapping out my Jebao WP40's for a gyre at each end of the tank.
I don't have a thread about the tank as I figured people here at RC see it more than enough already in my other posts! :lolspin:
Yep, currents, lunar tides, wave strength, temperature and wind all effect flow and "most" areas change often. Hence my critique of the single style flow of a laminar machine.
My tank follows a tidal schedule with random spouts of strong surge to laminar flow that I would describe as slack tide. But the predominate flow pattern is surge.
My tank follows a tidal schedule with random spouts of strong surge to laminar flow that I would describe as slack tide. But the predominate flow pattern is surge.
