Jebao Cross Flow Pump

[jrp1588]

:facepalm:

Did you guys miss your naps today?

 

[seamonster124]

Jebao gyre

Jebao gyre

Just kidding around . I think were all just running out of patience waiting for this great new product to become available

 

[biecacka]

Thing regarding prices is it means something different to everyone who buys it. For some 1800$ for the return pump means everything because money is sparse, or tight, or just not readily available like it is for others. For others the money means less because they have more of it, and for others it is a purchase that could be justified maybe due to previous experience with a different brand.
It's not up to me or anyone to judge what others do with their money. Different strokes for different folks. I just bought a Bubble King skimmer and I am in college and wait tables. I'm far from their target demographic market but I was attracted by the ease of set up from my previous skimmer and the ability to dial he pump in by single increments unlike some other DC pumps. I also like their reliability and build quality. My vortech pumps where bought used and bought because he yet fit my need. No wires above the tank since its eurobraced.
It just seems all these threads end with insulting someone who chose to spend X amount of money on X product.

Corey

 

[jrp1588]

Just kidding around . I think were all just running out of patience waiting for this great new product to become available

Yeah, my new 125 build is almost done. I think I'll just get some RW pumps and see how the reviews of the cross flow pumps pan out. I was hoping it would be out before I was ready.

 

[shifty51008]

And when they do they would have to defend it against the fact that the tech already existed so it all depends on how they worded it and what their proposed patent covers.

again, vortech got a patient when their techknowegly already existed so why wouldnt maxspec be able to get one?

 

[soulpatch]

again, vortech got a patient when their techknowegly already existed so why wouldnt maxspec be able to get one?

A magnet spinning something is not the same as an identical unit with a prop on the other side.

I used magnetic stirrers in my labs but they were all a flat bar. None had a prop. That change to a patent office is sufficient enough to be a different product.

You keep bringing up the stirrers as if they are exactly the same and they are not. Different uses, build, design, and such.

Now the gyres I used in the lab were not plastic nor did they have outer cages that could be aimed but the rest of the design were the same. I do not believe it is enough to grant a patent and should one be granted it should be easy to prove it already existed and thus have the patent nullified.

 

[karimwassef]

Plastic blades and directional cages are also common. Plenty of Chinese commodity vendors offer spare parts too. I was looking for components on a larger DIY when I found them.

A patent needs to overcome the hurdle or obviousness and be novel. One skilled in the arts should not be able to see this solution as direct. Basically, it can't be a homework problem for an engineer college student who's asked to solve the problem of how to design a cross flow pump in a fish tank.

 

[mikeatjac]

Just kidding around . I think were all just running out of patience waiting for this great new product to become available

The beauty of Reef Central is that it is a great place to do research. Statements like seamonster's do a terrible injustice. "Great new product"? How do you rate a product that you have not touched?

 

[atreis]

again, vortech got a patient when their techknowegly already existed so why wouldnt maxspec be able to get one?

You can patent the parts that are really new - e.g. not the concept itself of a gyre, but the specific shape of the blades, bushings, motor mount, etc... Whatever qualifies as new. This happens all the time. Companies say "Patent Pending" (which means they've applied for the patent, but it's not yet been granted) and it's really just some small piece of the thing that they're trying to patent...

BTW - once a product has been released or announced, you can no longer apply for an International patent. US patent law differs in this respect. In the US, you can still apply for a patent on something that has been announced, but not in most of the rest of the world. This means that companies (esp. overseas ones, or ones that don't want to be copied immediately) have to do the complete design, testing, etc... apply for any patent(s), and then let the public know about the product. Sometimes for financial reasons, they can't do it in that order - they need investment, capital, to do the design.

Also: Proof read? Yikes...

 

[Isaacs55]

Hmmmm...is it out yet?

 

[shifty51008]

A magnet spinning something is not the same as an identical unit with a prop on the other side.

I used magnetic stirrers in my labs but they were all a flat bar. None had a prop. That change to a patent office is sufficient enough to be a different product.

You keep bringing up the stirrers as if they are exactly the same and they are not. Different uses, build, design, and such.

Now the gyres I used in the lab were not plastic nor did they have outer cages that could be aimed but the rest of the design were the same. I do not believe it is enough to grant a patent and should one be granted it should be easy to prove it already existed and thus have the patent nullified.

It is the same tech though, add a few things and yes they are the same, you have to be blind if you cant see that. Iy wouldnt take me long and i could put a prop in place of the magnetic stir bar and they will start looking the same and doing the same thing, add in a few other things like a cage and magnet to hold the sides together and thats it.

Now your talking about design not tech, those are diff.

 

[Ron Reefman]

So enough bickering already, where is the new product!

 

[seamonster124]

Statements like seamonster's do a terrible injustice. "Great new product"? How do you rate a product that you have not touched?

 

[soulpatch]

It is the same tech though, add a few things and yes they are the same, you have to be blind if you cant see that. Iy wouldnt take me long and i could put a prop in place of the magnetic stir bar and they will start looking the same and doing the same thing, add in a few other things like a cage and magnet to hold the sides together and thats it.

Now your talking about design not tech, those are diff.

It is different tech as they complete two different actions. If you were to take your logic then blu ray would not have been able to be patented as it was no different then a laser disc player, or even a blue ray player. It is not the same thing.

Design would be adding color or not rounding the corners of the magnetic stirrer (though Apple has proven that apparently you can patent that too). Changing a component to copletly change a function is patentable.

 

[mikeatjac]

Yep

 

[Taahirs]

Lol

 

[Taahirs]

Off topic.

How do the RW and vortech pumps work wirelessly? I've only ever owned tunze.

Is there a magnet on the outside which turns and spins the propeller inside?

 

[atreis]

Off topic.

How do the RW and vortech pumps work wirelessly? I've only ever owned tunze.

Is there a magnet on the outside which turns and spins the propeller inside?

Yep. Outside is the motor, attached to a spinning magnet. Inside is a magnet mounted on a spindle. The motor spins the magnet outside, causing the magnet inside to rotate on the spindle and turn the rotor. Pretty simple concept - requires really strong magnets though.

 

[AZRippster]

When you see RW and wireless, I'm assuming you mean the Jebao pumps. If so, the controllers can communicate with each other via a wireless connection. The pump motor and housing are all submerged. Very different from the EcoTech Vortech pumps, much more like the Tunze.

 

[reefwiser]

Ecotech pumps can also change setting during the coarse of a day going from reef crease to feed mode at a certain time of the day. All setup in Ecotech live.