Royal-Exclusiv Alpha Cone - 170 / 200 / 300 Announcement & Pre-Orders!

[dzhuo]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14997335#post14997335 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by macreefster
2 months? probably less than 2 weeks until the first shipment arrives. with the way we're all awaiting our deliveries maybe he should be referred to as santa klaus!

I am willing to bet it will not be 2 weeks but I sure hope I am wrong. I am just judging by the lack of spec so far.

 

[Jeremy B.]

Specs coming in just a few minutes....

 

[macreefster]

i am sure jeremy knows the time frame it takes to ship the units and since they've already been shipped it can't be too long. i can get granite shipped from china in three weeks and i'm sure it takes less for these skimmers....... tell me i'm right jeremy!.....lol.

 

[Jeremy B.]

SPECS!!!

SPECS!!!

Vertex ALPHA Kone 170

Space in Sump : 23 x 35 cm (9” x 13.75”) - Can be trimmed by 1" on the long dimension.

Bottom plate : 22 cm (8.65”)

Height : 57cm (22.4”) ( Aprox. 1cm/ 0.4” needed for cup removal )

Foam-pipe/Neck : 120 mm (4.7”)

Cup height : 15 cm ( 5.9”)

Body : Thermo-Vacuum formed from 10 mm PETG

Flange : fixed with 8 x Titanium screws Grade 2

Pump : Mini Red Dragon

Energy consumption: 20 / 24 Watt

Pump-holder : 10 mm PVC CNC-milled

Pump-head : massive 100 mm PVC, CNC Turned with extra large volute

Pump Connection : 3 x Titanium screws Grade 2

Air-intake : 700 L/h, Super nozzle : 900 L/h @ 8" sump level




Vertex ALPHA Kone 200


Foot print : 25 x 37 cm (9.8” x 14.5”) - Can be trimmed by 1" on the long dimension.

Bottom plate : 25 cm (9.82”)

Height : 58cm (22.8”) ( Aprox. 1cm/ 0.4” needed for cup removal )

Foam-pipe/Neck : 134 mm (5.27”)

Cup height: 16 cm (6.3”)

Body: Seamless Cone made out of PETG Ozone-safe

Flange : fixed with 8 x Titanium screws Grade 2

Pump : Mini Red Dragon

Energy consumption: 25 / 30 Watt

Pump-holder : 10 mm PVC CNC-milled

Pump-head : massive 100 mm PVC, CNC turned with extra large volute

Pump Connection : fixed with 3 Titanium screws Grade 2

Air-intake : 1200 L/h, Super nozzle : 1400 L/h @ 8" sump level

 

[Jeremy B.]

The Alpha Kone 300 specs will be coming soon.

 

[dzhuo]

Finally!

Jeremy,
What's that Super nozzle? Is that additional cost or included in the price? Also, is the height overall? So using the 200 as an example, you need 22.8" + 0.4"? Do you have the ideal water deep? Finally when do you think we should expect them to be in the state?

Thx!

 

[Jeremy B.]

The super nozzle is the extra nozzle included at no charge for the added air flow. The height of the skimmer is overall, then the extra height mentioned is how much room you need to remove the cup. Air draw numbers were taken at 8" of sump water.

I do not have the exact eta on them yet unfortunately.

Thanks,
Jeremy

 

[SeanT]

Any Omega specs?

 

[Jeremy B.]

Unfortunately no Omega specs yet. I probably won't have those until late August or early September.

Thanks,
Jeremy

 

[ceci1357]

So let me see if my math is right(cause it could be wrong)....using super nozzles the 170 would be 32scfh and the 200 would be 49, correct?

 

[ceci1357]

Isn't the skimmer exit (low) height tied into the water level (8 inches) and overall performance of the skimmer? The reason I'm asking is, if I exited the skimmer through a bulk head into the next section of my sump... would the next section have to have 8 inches of water as well for the skimmer to operate properly?

 

[dgiesecke]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14998467#post14998467 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jeremy B.
SPECS!!!

Let me just say.......... Thanks Jeremy

 

[Jeremy B.]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14998928#post14998928 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ceci1357
So let me see if my math is right(cause it could be wrong)....using super nozzles the 170 would be 32scfh and the 200 would be 49, correct?

You got it!

As far as what you are wanting to do, give me a little time to wake up this morning and wrap my brain around it. My engineering side is still sleeping this morning!

 

[mojo~]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14998961#post14998961 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ceci1357
Isn't the skimmer exit (low) height tied into the water level (8 inches) and overall performance of the skimmer? The reason I'm asking is, if I exited the skimmer through a bulk head into the next section of my sump... would the next section have to have 8 inches of water as well for the skimmer to operate properly?

the section your output would go into would need to be 8 inches as this would give you the water level in your skimmer.

 

[mojo~]

Well first off Jeremy thanks for the info. After reading over them it looks to me like they are proportioned similar to the 250's. Where the Neck will remain large for what the air draw is. There is no doubt the skimmers are built well. I do however remain on the fence as to how these are going to perform. With a 4.7 in neck on the 170 pulling 700 to 900 lph that just seems like a lot of neck to fill. In comparison the neck on a Warner Marine K2 is 4.5 at 950 to 1000 lph. the atb 840 pulls about 700 lph on the small pin wheel and has a 3.8 in neck i believe. So we will see. Thank again for getting the specs out to all of us. I have a lot more to say about all these but will keep this all to myself until I can back it up with actual data and or first hand experience with these. One thing is for sure. They are built rock solid and are nice units

Mojo~

 

[Jeremy B.]

Given all things being equal, feed pump, pinwheel size, body size, etc... a skimmer with a smaller neck will skim more wet than a skimmer with a larger neck, which skims more dry. This is just the nature of the beast and the way physics work with a protein skimmer.

For example, look at the old AquaMedic Turboflotor line of skimmers, especially the 5000 Shorty, Single, and Twin. These bodies were huge, the pumps were tiny, and the reaction chamber wasn't even close to being milky white while running, but the neck size on them gets so darn small, about 2.5" in diameter, that they would pull out a ton of wet skimmate. Now look at the BK line for example, where you are 4:1 air draw versus that AquaMedic line, but neck size is 10:1 in some cases, and that AquaMedic will skim a heck of a lot more wet than the BK ever would.

Now, how do we judge quality of skimmate? That's for the consumer to decide on what they prefer to do. I think that everyone knows that BK skimmers produce a very dry to average wet skimmate by design. If you are wanting a skimmer that fills the collection cup on a daily basis, then you probably need to be looking at a down draft, beckett, or other very small necked pinwheel / venturi skimmer.

 

[mojo~]

I guess my only concern is how dry is too dry. you go too large of a neck and you end up with fine line where you can run your skimmer. Also you end up with nog so dry it sticks to the lid and cant make it in the cup. I am not saying this is an issue here as no one has tested them yet. However the neck is larger than most of its competition with similar air draw. I do agree with everything you said Jeremy. The larger neck will help it skim dry. I ll be really curious to see how they perform when placed on a tank size they are rated for.

I always run my skimmers a little on the dry side. So time will tell. I like the alpha cones. With the pump they are offering along with the build quality and price they have an opportunity to really shake up the skimmer market. As long as it skims as well or better than the others. I can only go off past experience in what skimmers I have owned plus ones I have made. Time will tell. I think the 170 and 200 will be very popular. I would just suggest that people size their skimmer correctly with these units. Just like Jeremy posted before. These are not over rated. So size accordingly and you will be just fine.

 

[mojo~]

Oh , and IF you are thinking about ordering one. Get it from Premium Aquatics. Awesome customer service. All of the guys are great to deal with.

 

[fernandokng]

I'd think you want the skimmer to take the gunk and put it into the cup as fast as possible. The longer the organics stay in the water before it gets into the cup, the more likely it will break down in the water.

Sizing body/neck/pump is critical because if any ratio is off, you will constantly overflow, or have fish poop stuck in the neck.

It'll be good to see how things work after you have a chance to test all of them for a longer period of time.

Thanks for the updates!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15002519#post15002519 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jeremy B.
Given all things being equal, feed pump, pinwheel size, body size, etc... a skimmer with a smaller neck will skim more wet than a skimmer with a larger neck, which skims more dry. This is just the nature of the beast and the way physics work with a protein skimmer.

For example, look at the old AquaMedic Turboflotor line of skimmers, especially the 5000 Shorty, Single, and Twin. These bodies were huge, the pumps were tiny, and the reaction chamber wasn't even close to being milky white while running, but the neck size on them gets so darn small, about 2.5" in diameter, that they would pull out a ton of wet skimmate. Now look at the BK line for example, where you are 4:1 air draw versus that AquaMedic line, but neck size is 10:1 in some cases, and that AquaMedic will skim a heck of a lot more wet than the BK ever would.

Now, how do we judge quality of skimmate? That's for the consumer to decide on what they prefer to do. I think that everyone knows that BK skimmers produce a very dry to average wet skimmate by design. If you are wanting a skimmer that fills the collection cup on a daily basis, then you probably need to be looking at a down draft, beckett, or other very small necked pinwheel / venturi skimmer.

 

[ceci1357]

Mojo, let me make sure I'm understanding..The next section of the sump{totally dependent on what comes out of the skimmer as to volume] ..would have to be maintained at 8" for the skimmer as it is designed to operate correctly. After reading technical post on the low exit point on cone skimmers,it all figures in with the water level in the skimmer section , the pump volume output ect. The design of the skimmer needs this low exit to operate correctly. Correct? Or am I suffering skimmer shock of the hundreds of pages I've exposed myself to about skimmers?