47G SPS...Revamp

That's a bummer Sahin. I got them in my previous tank, a little over 3 years ago. For me to beat them, I removed all my across and put them in a QT. I dipped once a week for I believe 8 weeks using Bayer and cleaned the QT at the time of each dip. It's been over 3 years that I haven't seen them, but I'm still very paranoid and always looking for them. I felt removing them and putting them all into a QT was necessary because I worried there could be a single worm or egg on the rock that would eventually repopulate. I do the same thing when I buy a new frag, QT for 8 weeks with weekly dips. I also remove new frags from plugs. Good luck, I know you'll beat them
 
Sahin, I have no recent experience with them.. All I can say is good luck. Your plan sounds like it will absolutely eradicate them.
Follow the light at the end of the tunnel!!
 
Oh man that sucks. Since your corals are not glued down dipping weekly for a few months sounds like a good start. Daily basting of the corals as well.
 
Sorry to hear that. I heard folks try the following all together...

1. Frequently dip
2. nature enemy control
3. stronger coral

Good luck!
 
I'm really bummed to hear the news Sahin :(

It just blows me away how badly these things have affected the hobby. I know you'll be tough and battle through it mate ( unlike your cricket team ). :thumbsup:
 
Sahin,

Tony B suggests camel shrimps and a particular wrasse (I forgot its name now). If you contact him, I am sure he would advise you. As you know he is an AEFW veteran.
With camel shrimps there is the danger of them killing the coral itself, in a way they are similar to using a dip (as long as eggs as scraped off and bases cut/superglued over).

Sorry to hear bro,
I hear KZ Flatwork Stop is particularly good
KZ Flatworm Stop is crap as far as I am concerned...on the bottle they advise daily basting...daily basting by itself keep AEFW under control. Now their potion may provide some slight health benefits... Dont get me wrong, I have used and still have some KZ stuff in my cupboard...so not hating on them...

Ah crap.

Dip and scrape or frag worked for me. I forget, can you get something like Bayer over there?
I will never be convinced that I don't have them, but I haven' seen AEFW damage for months. Just when I thought I was rolling I got hit with Montipora Eating Nudis. :D It's hard to get ahead in this hobby.
Thats what I wanted to know; that dip and scrape works, thanks for that.

That's a bummer Sahin. I got them in my previous tank, a little over 3 years ago. For me to beat them, I removed all my across and put them in a QT. I dipped once a week for I believe 8 weeks using Bayer and cleaned the QT at the time of each dip. It's been over 3 years that I haven't seen them, but I'm still very paranoid and always looking for them. I felt removing them and putting them all into a QT was necessary because I worried there could be a single worm or egg on the rock that would eventually repopulate. I do the same thing when I buy a new frag, QT for 8 weeks with weekly dips. I also remove new frags from plugs. Good luck, I know you'll beat them
Thanks for your post; it is useful indeed. I am going to dip weekly for 12 weeks.

Oh man that sucks. Since your corals are not glued down dipping weekly for a few months sounds like a good start. Daily basting of the corals as well.
Yeah, I am glad I didnt glue down my corals and opted for the coral pegging method...it has proved so useful at this very moment.

Sorry to hear that. I heard folks try the following all together...
1. Frequently dip
2. nature enemy control
3. stronger coral
Good luck!
Thanks for the tips; no 1 is going to be my main feature of attack against the AEFW's.

I'm really bummed to hear the news Sahin :(

It just blows me away how badly these things have affected the hobby. I know you'll be tough and battle through it mate ( unlike your cricket team ). :thumbsup:

I dont watch cricket Biggles, but just like with football, I support other countries...I'd rather support Australia mate :) I support Germany when it comes to football and always have since I was a kid. Dont know about cricket, but english football is just crazy...no home bred team is ever any good even with some of the best training and largest finances in the world.

As for the AEFW's: These bastards have beaten me before...when I was newly into SPS keeping...they are not beating me again damn it! :angryfire:

So, last night I dipped all 21 Acros in my tank. I made a chart on my fish tank notebook and will keep a record of what happens with all 21 Acros. I am determined NOT to lose a single one AND kill the bastards.

Damage Report:
Only 1 Acro: my Hot Pink Millepora had eggs. This coral also had 2 large adults and one ugly little kid (this coral had most damage). I left them in a solution of double strentgh Revive and watched them melt. When I saw the eggs i had this look on my face::angryfire:

So I got out my hobby gas torch:
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And burned the eggs off. The smell of roasted AEFW eggs filled the air and I felt a little better.

There was one other coral with a large AEFW. This coral also had quite a bit of damaged tissue. No eggs.

One other acro had what might have been tiny AEFW's...I wasnt sure so I counted it in.

18 other Acros didnt have any AEFW's. They may burrow out of the Acro tissue in the coming weeks if any of these corals are infected.

I didnt want to place Acros with confirmed AEFW's and those without, in the same QT tank for the time being.

Those with confiremed AEFW's or any that had suspect marks went into the QT.

ALL acros will be dipped But kept seperate for 1 month. After 1 months time, hopefully I wont see any new AEFW and at that point I will place all in the little QT tank I setup and leave the display empty without acros for 2 months.

My dipping method:
There is no Bayer in the UK...If someone from the USA can buy and send to UK, I'd pay the costs...I have relatives who will visit the USA next June and I will ask them to get a bottle back for me...but till then i have to use Revive by TLF.

Revive states you must use 4capfuls to 3.8litres of tank water and dip for a few minutes, upto a maximum of 15 mins.

I used double strentgh on ALL my corals.

I adjusted the time for sensitive corals such as my Turaki, Echinata/Speciosia and other think branched deepwater type corals. - These sensitive corals were dipped for 3.5 minutes.

All other corals were dipped for 5 minutes. This equates to a 10 minute dip at normal strength.

AEFW's basically fell off the coral as soon as the coral was placed in the dipping solution. In the dipping solution I could see the AEFW were "convulsing" and if left for around 20 minutes or longer, started to melt.

I took one large AEFW out of the dip and put into a cup of water without any dip. After 5 minutes the bastard started to recover and move around. He had fatal accident with my finger a few minutes later and all that remained was a brown blot.

I am basically following this method (except I am using a dip which more readily kills the corals): http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2263491

Hopefully I will have the same success. It is going to be hard, but if I can keep up with hardwork and dip for 3 months and beat them, then that victory will be sweet.
 
Sorry to hear. Can you get Levimasole over there? I think a combo of Levi in tank with some dipping to finish them off would be ideal. I did the whole Levi thing and I did not see any negative effects. Can't say for sure I killed them, but after dipping I did not see a single worm. Only way they get in if an egg clutch somehow made it. The Levi definitely affects them and allows you to baste them off. Good luck. I fought these guys twice already, and probably not the last I will see of them. Seems like they are running rampant in the hobby now.

On another note, did you get my PM?;)
 
Sorry to hear. Can you get Levimasole over there? I think a combo of Levi in tank with some dipping to finish them off would be ideal. I did the whole Levi thing and I did not see any negative effects. Can't say for sure I killed them, but after dipping I did not see a single worm. Only way they get in if an egg clutch somehow made it. The Levi definitely affects them and allows you to baste them off. Good luck. I fought these guys twice already, and probably not the last I will see of them. Seems like they are running rampant in the hobby now.

On another note, did you get my PM?;)

Thanks for the input. I will do some research and see if I can get Levimasole in the UK.

I got your PM, and was meaning to respond tonight...I still have a few PM's to answer about ATI Hybrid. I will answer your question while at work now :lol:
 
Sorry to hear. Can you get Levimasole over there? I think a combo of Levi in tank with some dipping to finish them off would be ideal. I did the whole Levi thing and I did not see any negative effects. Can't say for sure I killed them, but after dipping I did not see a single worm. Only way they get in if an egg clutch somehow made it. The Levi definitely affects them and allows you to baste them off. Good luck. I fought these guys twice already, and probably not the last I will see of them. Seems like they are running rampant in the hobby now.

On another note, did you get my PM?;)

Regarding basting, the researcher in the link I provided in my first post says that basting offers a temporary relief to affected corals, but carries the risk of enabling AEFWs to colonise elsewhere. She demonstrated that these worms can also lay their eggs away from Acroporids.
 
Sahin, happy to hear you are tackling these b@stards head on. Sounds like you are on the path to redemption. Man o man though, what a PITA.
 
Regarding basting, the researcher in the link I provided in my first post says that basting offers a temporary relief to affected corals, but carries the risk of enabling AEFWs to colonise elsewhere. She demonstrated that these worms can also lay their eggs away from Acroporids.

I'm not talking about just basting, but basting with intank treatment with Levi. Levi seems to kill the little ones. Its the big ones that are a problem. Basting during treatment helps knock them off so they are either eaten or removed by the filter and overall just disrupt them. I think a combo of in tank and dipping will be the solution here. Don't want to side track this thread too much.
 
Good thing you found the eggs. Do you think you caught them early?

Were you joking about the torch? If not, I'd be careful about breathing the fumes :spin2:
 
Good thing you found the eggs. Do you think you caught them early?

Were you joking about the torch? If not, I'd be careful about breathing the fumes :spin2:
I hope I have found the eggs and there arent any more...I am certain there arent any on the corals or the coral plugs...hopefully I will manage to break their life cycle early on and prevent reproduction taking place.

I did actually use the gas torch...I use it to burn off nuisance algae etc if I see it on coral bases. Of course I took care and wouldnt do with Zoas or Palys.

I'm not talking about just basting, but basting with intank treatment with Levi. Levi seems to kill the little ones. Its the big ones that are a problem. Basting during treatment helps knock them off so they are either eaten or removed by the filter and overall just disrupt them. I think a combo of in tank and dipping will be the solution here. Don't want to side track this thread too much.

Dont worry about off topic subjects buddy. :) Everyone's input is appreciated. Your observation regarding the smaller AEFW's is useful. I find Revive knocks out the larger ones easily at the dose I'm using, and couldnt find many small AEFW's.

Sahin, happy to hear you are tackling these b@stards head on. Sounds like you are on the path to redemption. Man o man though, what a PITA.
Yeah man, I am not giving up...I am documenting all of this hopefully it will help someone else should they fall into this very unfortunate situation.

Regarding basting, the researcher in the link I provided in my first post says that basting offers a temporary relief to affected corals, but carries the risk of enabling AEFWs to colonise elsewhere. She demonstrated that these worms can also lay their eggs away from Acroporids.
I prefer not to baste for this reason - unless I have something like Levamisole at hand and dosing it, as well as using lots of wrasse etc.

Some notes regarding AEFW's and how I discovered them:

1. Lack of PE is NOT a good indicator at all! I actually have crazy PE on all my corals, even the worst damaged Acro...My SPS always get crazy PE and they didnt reduce one bit.
2. The bastards tend to stick to the areas underneath/shadey areas of the coral.
3. The 2 most affected corals just wouldnt colour up and the tissue looked thin on areas - kind of like the AEFW are sucking the life out of the coral. Also my Pink Milli is one coral that usually colours up really well for me, and just wouldnt colour up...this made me question myself and think of all possibilities, and AEFW's was the last thing I thought would affect me.

I will post a video later showing one bastard dancing in the dipping cup. :angryfire:
 
In my experience, corals will tend to look ragged. They lose color, reduced polyp extension and just look overall blah. If that happens and other corals are fine, you need to get the flash light and at least dip. Milles and Validas seem to be AEFW magnets, at least in my tanks. Small ones are very hard to see, large ones are impossible to miss, and get so big they'll startle you when you baste one off and are not expecting it, LOL!

The Levi will kill them at a high enough dose. I played with a few I caught and tortured them with high concentrations until they turned to mush before my eyes. As far as basting to not affect other corals, I don't buy that. Once you got them, unless you are sure it was a recent addition then you have to assume they spread. If you saw eggs, even worse.

I'm not sure if there is a free floating stage when they hatch or not, I haven't really read that other thread in too much detail. Let me know if you have any questions, because its all still fresh. I did post most of my observations in the In Tank Whoopin thread ;)
 
Revive states you must use 4capfuls to 3.8litres of tank water and dip for a few minutes, upto a maximum of 15 mins.

It only says that in silly countries that use the metric system :)
 
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