jrp1588
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I've considered unsubscribing a number of times for the same reason, but eventually we'll have some actual news on it. Then we can discuss the pump itself instead of pretending to be copyright lawyers.
Jebao Cross Flow Pump
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I've considered unsubscribing a number of times for the same reason, but eventually we'll have some actual news on it. Then we can discuss the pump itself instead of pretending to be copyright lawyers.
shifty51008
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So jebao is copying RE now? Not to my knowedge. And if you think selif is going after jebao because he is CS for RE then i would rethink your approch also, he reccomends products that are more of a competitor to RE than jebao is. Yes those numbers are made up as no one knows the actual numbers but going by alot of threads i can tell that it is a high rate of failure. If people want to keep replaceing them, then so be it, alot of people do.
slief
RC Sponsor
LMAO.. Royal Exclusiv has no dog in this fight and I still do installations with Jebaos in them and still get to go back and fix them when they fail and never once have I had to replace a Tunze. Do you have any first hand experience with Tunze's let alone Ecotech?? I'd bet you have never owned or handled a Tunze pump let alone an Ecotech. Both of which are competitors to Royal Exclusiv and I support both of them and recommend both. They both make great products that they both support their own products and support very well! They also don't charge you for warranty replacements. Just try contacting Jebao directly for support and see how much they care about you, your purchase or your tank. That is if you can even get ahold of them. They will however be very happy to take your hard earned money.
Having said that, I was waiting for you to chime in.. I knew it was coming just like you were probably expecting me to chime in and I really tried not to. Anyhow, llike me, you seem to pop up in the Jebao threads and you always seem to pick a bone with me because of my Royal Exclusiv affiliation. You seem to get involved in every Jebao thread and always come to Jebao's defense. What's really "pathetic" is that somebody with an awful lot of experience in this hobby can't share his opinion and experience without somebody coming along to discredit him because of an affiliation that has absolutely NOTHNING to do with the subject at hand and isn't even a competitor to the product in question. Frankly it's BS and there is nothing made up in my statement. If you bothered to read it, I said "likely" and it was in reaction to a 1:1 statement that was way of base. I didn't say it was a fact and you can rest assured that the failure rate of the comparable Tunze pumps is a fraction and a minute one at that of that of the knock offs. If you had a friend whose house nearly burnt down, would you just sit idle and bite you tongue? I suspect not.
Either way, maybe you should try helping people here instead of trying to discredit those (with a lot more experience in the hobby) that go out of their way to help others here and do so without prejudice or preconceived notions. I speak from first hand experience. I've installed dozens of the Jebao pumps and power heads and have plenty of public video evidence to back that up. I just got through installed a Jebao return pump with a couple RW's in a good friends tank. Albeit begrudgingly but that's what he had and he did so knowing the risks. The whole install was recorded and posted online for the world to see in an LA Fish Guys episode. Yep, the RE rep installing these pumps pumps for the world to see and it's not the first or even the second one. I happen to know what I am talking about and know first hand the frequency of failures of both from my own installs. Some people are OK with the failures and the risks. Personally, I am not. I've had my current tank for 20 years. It's been up and running for 18 years straight in it's current location and I have never once had a single solitary pump or power head failure because I avoid products with high failure rates. I stick with equipment that is well proven and well supported by well respected manufacturers. While my 500-1000 may have been an exaggeration or stretch, it certainly wasn't made up. The term "likely" makes it purely speculation but as I said, it's a hell of a lot higher than you care to admit. SMH
I am sorry that I even bothered posting is this thread. I should have trusted my intuition but when I have friends who nearly had their homes burned down, sometimes my experience trumps my better judgement.
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karimwassef
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So here's something I would love to see in a gyre.. From anyone!
The squirrel cage design is inherently directional. The only way to change flow it to open the pump and turn over the plastic cage "impeller". But if someone came up with a truly reversible flow (equal flow both directions) based on a signal from the controller... That would be friggin' awesome!
I've even thought of DIYs around it. Maybe the cage has little lever structures that turn the orientation of the slanted baffles and there's a couple of electromagnetic clutches that turn them one way or another? It would have a lot of very small little levers and hooks and I see fouling as a handicap.
Maybe both orientations are made into the plastic form but a second squirrel cage inside the first one selects the slots that are open!! Then a small magnetic clutch or other electronically controlled device moves the relative position of the inner to outer squirrelcages to determine the selected slot slants which controls flow direction!
Those would push water out of the opposite end of the cylindrical impeller's edge. Not bad, but not perfect. If the same outlet side could be made to both push or pull ... That would be ideal.
Innovation is about delighting the customer ... That's what would do it for me.
The squirrel cage design is inherently directional. The only way to change flow it to open the pump and turn over the plastic cage "impeller". But if someone came up with a truly reversible flow (equal flow both directions) based on a signal from the controller... That would be friggin' awesome!
I've even thought of DIYs around it. Maybe the cage has little lever structures that turn the orientation of the slanted baffles and there's a couple of electromagnetic clutches that turn them one way or another? It would have a lot of very small little levers and hooks and I see fouling as a handicap.
Maybe both orientations are made into the plastic form but a second squirrel cage inside the first one selects the slots that are open!! Then a small magnetic clutch or other electronically controlled device moves the relative position of the inner to outer squirrelcages to determine the selected slot slants which controls flow direction!
Those would push water out of the opposite end of the cylindrical impeller's edge. Not bad, but not perfect. If the same outlet side could be made to both push or pull ... That would be ideal.
Innovation is about delighting the customer ... That's what would do it for me.
karimwassef
Active member
With 3D printing a reality, a multi-cage concentric impeller design with selectable flow design may be really possible. Oh... The DC motor would also have to be reversible. Not impossible, but one more obstacle to overcome. But that may allow the concentric cages to automatically align based on the motor's rotation direction and some preset position slots.
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That's a shame. Your experience may be lost on monster dude, but is of value to those trying to decide where in their system to put the money. There is a trade off and people should know that before making the decision on which way to go.
mikeatjac
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You have got to be kidding right? Scott has been a huge consumer advocate for our hobby. We aren't talking skimmers are we?
seamonster124
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Prove me wrong and I will gladly apologize. Prove what he says makes any sense; 500-1000 jebao's fail for every single Tunze.
shifty51008
12-5 Chiefs record
Prove to us your right then. He never said it was a fact, he said it was likely.
slief
RC Sponsor
One thing that you may be forgetting is that volume of sales relative to one another has an impact on those numbers. As such, if there are 50 or even 100 Jebao's sold for every Tunze (which wouldn't be far fetched given the prices) my numbers could prove to be very conservative. Rest assured, it certainly isn't going to be 1:1 even if they both some sold the same number of pumps. Not even close. Another thing that we seem to forget. Take Tunze pumps. Most of the Tunze pumps sold will last several years. Most of the Jebao's won't last anywhere near that long. If you stretch out the time over the course of a few years with a large pool of pumps of either brand, my numbers aren't so far fetched.
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karimwassef
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Anyone else have other wish list items for a new gyre?
True reversible flow and large sizes with directional diverters would be mine. 3000-4000gph?
True reversible flow and large sizes with directional diverters would be mine. 3000-4000gph?
SkullV
They Got My Number
My wish would be a more simplified cleaning process since these seem to clog so easily. It seems that the current gyre on the market is very difficult to disassemble and reassemble without alignment issues or broken parts. I'm sure this issue won't be remedied with the Jebao product, but if we're making a wish list....
I guess I would also like stepper motor driven cages. This would allow for truly random flow.
nuxx
.Registered Member
Completely unbiased observation here.
Here is the experience of various pumps I've used over the past 3 years. I'll limit it to 3 years, since a lot can change in that time.
Jebao (17):
(2) WP60s, (1) RW20, (3) RW15s, (4) WP40s, (3) WP20s, (2) DCT4000s and (2) DC9000s.
I've had some pumps around 2 years.
I've had two power supplies fail and once I got replacements, they were fine.
One WP40 and one WP60 seized up. The WP60 started working again a few months later. There appears to be an easy fix for seized WPs, but I haven't tried it yet. Will try sometime on the WP40.
Had one controller melt on the input, I think it got wet. The controllers do spark if you have the power supply plugged into the wall and insert the power cord into the controller.
Reef Octopus (CoralVue) (3):
Three large DC skimmer pumps. New and old versions.
One pump seized up after a year and will only run for about 10 seconds before stopping.
Other two are fine.
Tunze (2):
Pump on a new skimmer never worked. Went to Tunze in town and Roger replaced it. The replacement seemed to work, but I sold the skimmer a week later.
Sicce (3):
(2) Voyager 10, (1) Voyager 4
One Voyager 10 completely seized up after occasional use.
The Voyager 4 will seize on power off and on. Have to stick a small rod into the unit and start turning the impeller to get it going again.
So to sum up my results of failures versus successes:
Jebao (Just counting WP40 currently not working):
1 out of 17 (~6%)
Jebao (Counting WP60 now working, replaced power supplies and WP40 not working):
4 out of 17 (~24%)
Reef Octopus (CoralVue):
1 out of 3 (33%)
Tunze:
1 out of 2 (50%)
Sicce:
2 out of 3 (66%)
I've never tried EcoTech pumps, but seeing I have 1" acrylic, I'd have to use ~ $700 MP60s. Not really worth it to me when there are much cheaper alternatives.
Remember even very high end things fail.
For fun, type "supercar fire" on Google
http://jalopnik.com/5937499/the-jalopnik-guide-to-burning-supercars/
Here is the experience of various pumps I've used over the past 3 years. I'll limit it to 3 years, since a lot can change in that time.
Jebao (17):
(2) WP60s, (1) RW20, (3) RW15s, (4) WP40s, (3) WP20s, (2) DCT4000s and (2) DC9000s.
I've had some pumps around 2 years.
I've had two power supplies fail and once I got replacements, they were fine.
One WP40 and one WP60 seized up. The WP60 started working again a few months later. There appears to be an easy fix for seized WPs, but I haven't tried it yet. Will try sometime on the WP40.
Had one controller melt on the input, I think it got wet. The controllers do spark if you have the power supply plugged into the wall and insert the power cord into the controller.
Reef Octopus (CoralVue) (3):
Three large DC skimmer pumps. New and old versions.
One pump seized up after a year and will only run for about 10 seconds before stopping.
Other two are fine.
Tunze (2):
Pump on a new skimmer never worked. Went to Tunze in town and Roger replaced it. The replacement seemed to work, but I sold the skimmer a week later.
Sicce (3):
(2) Voyager 10, (1) Voyager 4
One Voyager 10 completely seized up after occasional use.
The Voyager 4 will seize on power off and on. Have to stick a small rod into the unit and start turning the impeller to get it going again.
So to sum up my results of failures versus successes:
Jebao (Just counting WP40 currently not working):
1 out of 17 (~6%)
Jebao (Counting WP60 now working, replaced power supplies and WP40 not working):
4 out of 17 (~24%)
Reef Octopus (CoralVue):
1 out of 3 (33%)
Tunze:
1 out of 2 (50%)
Sicce:
2 out of 3 (66%)
I've never tried EcoTech pumps, but seeing I have 1" acrylic, I'd have to use ~ $700 MP60s. Not really worth it to me when there are much cheaper alternatives.
Remember even very high end things fail.
For fun, type "supercar fire" on Google
http://jalopnik.com/5937499/the-jalopnik-guide-to-burning-supercars/
shifty51008
12-5 Chiefs record
What new product? It's already out and for sale from maxspect. The jebao isnt a new product just a copy
seamonster124
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seamonster124
New member
Completely unbiased observation here.
Here is the experience of various pumps I've used over the past 3 years. I'll limit it to 3 years, since a lot can change in that time.
Jebao (17):
(2) WP60s, (1) RW20, (3) RW15s, (4) WP40s, (3) WP20s, (2) DCT4000s and (2) DC9000s.
I've had some pumps around 2 years.
I've had two power supplies fail and once I got replacements, they were fine.
One WP40 and one WP60 seized up. The WP60 started working again a few months later. There appears to be an easy fix for seized WPs, but I haven't tried it yet. Will try sometime on the WP40.
Had one controller melt on the input, I think it got wet. The controllers do spark if you have the power supply plugged into the wall and insert the power cord into the controller.
Reef Octopus (CoralVue) (3):
Three large DC skimmer pumps. New and old versions.
One pump seized up after a year and will only run for about 10 seconds before stopping.
Other two are fine.
Tunze (2):
Pump on a new skimmer never worked. Went to Tunze in town and Roger replaced it. The replacement seemed to work, but I sold the skimmer a week later.
Sicce (3):
(2) Voyager 10, (1) Voyager 4
One Voyager 10 completely seized up after occasional use.
The Voyager 4 will seize on power off and on. Have to stick a small rod into the unit and start turning the impeller to get it going again.
So to sum up my results of failures versus successes:
Jebao (Just counting WP40 currently not working):
1 out of 17 (~6%)
Jebao (Counting WP60 now working, replaced power supplies and WP40 not working):
4 out of 17 (~24%)
Reef Octopus (CoralVue):
1 out of 3 (33%)
Tunze:
1 out of 2 (50%)
Sicce:
2 out of 3 (66%)
I've never tried EcoTech pumps, but seeing I have 1" acrylic, I'd have to use ~ $700 MP60s. Not really worth it to me when there are much cheaper alternatives.
Remember even very high end things fail.
For fun, type "supercar fire" on Google
http://jalopnik.com/5937499/the-jalopnik-guide-to-burning-supercars/
And this is how logical people share their experiences. Thank you for not just throwing unbelievable random numbers at us and twisting data to fit your opinion
SkullV
They Got My Number
We get it, now let's get back to talking about the product that is the topic of the thread.
I am hoping this Jebao pump will be able to function with my JBwave controller. It's really nice to be able to control the pumps from my phone.
nuxx
.Registered Member
No problem.
Also with the Jebaos, they are all connected to our Apex and run through 12 programs randomly through the day.
Can do the same with Tunze pumps, basically the same programs.
Not really losing too much without having EcoTech pumps.
Trust me, I like nice things (look in our garage lol) and if I could justify the price of going from an RW20 to an MP60, I would.
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