Jebao Cross Flow Pump

[seamonster124]

I actually like Reef Builders for the most part, but this "reporting" on the gyre vs. Jebao is pretty ridiculous. .

I find it sad that this American websites areteaming up with a Chinese corporation to manipulate American consumers. I wonder if this is a desperate move in reaction to jebao's no-advertising approach, or a widespread business practice

 

[SkullV]

I find it sad that this American websites areteaming up with a Chinese corporation to manipulate American consumers. I wonder if this is a desperate move in reaction to jebao's no-advertising approach, or a widespread business practice

I don't think they are teaming up with a Chinese corporation, I think they are just catering to CoralVue. At least for some time the Gyres that were being sold had the Reef Builders "best product" badge printed on them. Not sure if that is still the case, but there is clearly some kind of relationship there.

 

[kevin_e]

I f other companies can provide a similar product that doesn't cost a mortgage, so be it. That's capitalism and free market. I'm all for it. It creates competition as opposed to a monoply and drives further ingenuity. Maxspect just needs to sell their quality to consumers, not originality. This happens all the time in industry. Designer jeans or great value, they are botn the same product, one just costs more and likely lasts longer.

Two different markets. The people buying Jabeo likely werent buying Maxspect anyways. products.

 

[shifty51008]

Maxspecs will not be issued a patent to this 200 year old technology. This is just shady sites like reef builders trying to benefit their advertisers by manipulating hobbyists

Maxspecs is a Chinese owned company and it owns the right to the two words gyre and Maxspecs. Nothing else.

Would you take the chance on loseing alot of money if they do get a patent? Of course you will say you will because your not actually gonna or have anything to lose, but others do and have lost very bad.

 

[shifty51008]

I find it sad that this American websites areteaming up with a Chinese corporation to manipulate American consumers. I wonder if this is a desperate move in reaction to jebao's no-advertising approach, or a widespread business practice

And i find it sad that an american is buying all chineese stuff. Lol just messing with ya

 

[mikeatjac]

I find it sad that this American websites areteaming up with a Chinese corporation to manipulate American consumers. I wonder if this is a desperate move in reaction to jebao's no-advertising approach, or a widespread business practice

This whole thread is advertising for Jebeo!

 

[seamonster124]

Jebao gyre

Jebao gyre

Would you take the chance on loseing alot of money if they do get a patent? Of course you will say you will because your not actually gonna or have anything to lose, but others do and have lost very bad.

Patents do t work like that. The only losers will be those who tried to monopolize the hobby and charge exorbitant prices for their cheaply made Chinese products

I bet most people who bought maxspects were not aware that it is not just made in chine, but owned by a Chinese corporation

 

[slief]

And i find it sad that an american is buying all chineese stuff. Lol just messing with ya

What's particularly sad is people supporting a company that knowingly rips off another companies designs because people have this perception of what's too expensive. A company that has done it not once, or even twice but at least 3 times so far (Tunze, Hydor and Maxspect). Sure it's easy to reduce costs when you don't do R&D or have to design anything but instead just reverse engineer and copy somebody else's product. The only things Jebao hasn't done is slapped a counterfiet name on the products but as I recall, their power supplies on their first WP power heads did have counterfeit UL labels on them. I'd bet if some of the people in this thread had their own products copied and lost tens of thousands if not millions in revenue, they might think otherwise. Either way, Jeboa will likely get what's coming to them. Provisional patents allow a manufacturer to protect their intellectual property until their final patent is approved at which point they can seek damages. What's scary is that I now know (personally) two people who damn near had catostrophic house fires because of Jebao's power supplies on their power heads. Two seperate people I know with power supplies that actually caught fire. One of which is a forum member here. Kind of scary if you ask me but if it's all in the name of saving money, why not risk it.. Right?

 

[kevin_e]

What's particularly sad is people supporting a company that knowingly rips off another companies designs because people have this perception of what's too expensive. A company that has done it not once, or even twice but at least 3 times so far (Tunze, Hydor and Maxspect). Sure it's easy to reduce costs when you don't do R&D or have to design anything but instead just reverse engineer and copy somebody else's product. The only things Jebao hasn't done is slapped a counterfiet name on the products but as I recall, their power supplies on their first WP power heads did have counterfeit UL labels on them. I'd bet if some of the people in this thread had their own products copied and lost tens of thousands if not millions in revenue, they might think otherwise. Either way, Jeboa will likely get what's coming to them. Provisional patents allow a manufacturer to protect their intellectual property until their final patent is approved at which point they can seek damages. What's scary is that I now know (personally) two people who damn near had catostrophic house fires because of Jebao's power supplies on their power heads. Two seperate people I know with power supplies that actually caught fire. One of which is a forum member here. Kind of scary if you ask me but if it's all in the name of saving money, why not risk it.. Right?

People buying Jebao likely aren't buying Maxspect products anyways, so no one is losing money. People buying Maxspect are doing so for the purpose of quality an support. These are two vastly different markets. Let the consumer decide what's too expensive for them, because ultimately, that's who decides, not the manufacturer. Expense isnt a perception, its reality. Mist people dont have disposable income to drop money that high end oroducts bring. Its not because they thing they are over priced, its vecause they cant affird them. I won't buy a Rolex because I can't afford it, but I sure as heck can afford a knock off, if a chose to.

It is not fair pick and choose stories to tell. For every knock off failure, there's a high end failure. For every failure, there's 10 successes. I've never had a Jebao product fail in 3 years.

 

[shifty51008]

People buying Jebao likely aren't buying Maxspect products anyways, so no one is losing money. People buying Maxspect are doing so for the purpose of quality an support. These are two vastly different markets. Let the consumer decide what's too expensive for them, because ultimately, that's who decides, not the manufacturer. Expense isnt a perception, its reality. Mist people dont have disposable income to drop money that high end oroducts bring. Its not because they thing they are over priced, its vecause they cant affird them. I won't buy a Rolex because I can't afford it, but I sure as heck can afford a knock off, if a chose to.

It is not fair pick and choose stories to tell. For every knock off failure, there's a high end failure. For every failure, there's 10 successes. I've never had a Jebao product fail in 3 years.

Actually even if your not buying maxspect products but buy products that were copied from them, then yes maxspect is losing money.

And i will guarentee the failure rate of a knockoff product is much higher than a qualitt one so i wouldnt be saying for every 1 wp pump that breaks a tunze breaks.

 

[shifty51008]

what's particularly sad is people supporting a company that knowingly rips off another companies designs because people have this perception of what's too expensive. A company that has done it not once, or even twice but at least 3 times so far (tunze, hydor and maxspect). Sure it's easy to reduce costs when you don't do r&d or have to design anything but instead just reverse engineer and copy somebody else's product. The only things jebao hasn't done is slapped a counterfiet name on the products but as i recall, their power supplies on their first wp power heads did have counterfeit ul labels on them. I'd bet if some of the people in this thread had their own products copied and lost tens of thousands if not millions in revenue, they might think otherwise. Either way, jeboa will likely get what's coming to them. Provisional patents allow a manufacturer to protect their intellectual property until their final patent is approved at which point they can seek damages. What's scary is that i now know (personally) two people who damn near had catostrophic house fires because of jebao's power supplies on their power heads. Two seperate people i know with power supplies that actually caught fire. One of which is a forum member here. Kind of scary if you ask me but if it's all in the name of saving money, why not risk it.. Right?

+1

 

[shifty51008]

Patents do t work like that. The only losers will be those who tried to monopolize the hobby and charge exorbitant prices for their cheaply made Chinese products

I bet most people who bought maxspects were not aware that it is not just made in chine, but owned by a Chinese corporation

Yes if maxspect gets a patent, they can sue others for selling the knockoff products, its been done lots of times before.

And yes i know they are a china based company but they are not copying from others. Just because they are china based dont mean they are bad.

 

[mikeatjac]

I find it sad that this American websites areteaming up with a Chinese corporation to manipulate American consumers. I wonder if this is a desperate move in reaction to jebao's no-advertising approach, or a widespread business practice

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[kevin_e]

Actually even if your not buying maxspect products but buy products that were copied from them, then yes maxspect is losing money.

And i will guarentee the failure rate of a knockoff product is much higher than a qualitt one so i wouldnt be saying for every 1 wp pump that breaks a tunze breaks.

Not sure how you conclude that. Of course higher end quality equipment has less of a chance of failure. My point is that picking a few stories to support a point isn't fair analysis.

 

[shifty51008]

Not sure how you conclude that. Of course higher end quality equipment has less of a chance of failure. My point is that picking a few stories to support a point isn't fair analysis.

There are alot more than a few that people have had jebao's fail, im glad you went 3 years with yours but that isnt even close to the norm for them.

 

[Mr.C]

Anyone know when ecotech's patent expires for the MP pumps?

I am assuming they have a pretty good patent that is keeping jebao away for now

 

[shifty51008]

Anyone know when ecotech's patent expires for the MP pumps?

I am assuming they have a pretty good patent that is keeping jebao away for now

No clue but because most of the vortech is magnet's that are costly im sure that is the primary reason they havent been copied.

 

[slief]

For every knock off failure, there's a high end failure. For every failure, there's 10 successes. I've never had a Jebao product fail in 3 years.

That's laughable. For every Tunze that fails, there are likely 500-1000 Jebaos that fail and I would bet it's at the high end. Having run Tunze power heads myself for many many years and having serviced and help replace dozens of Jebaos and seen more than half of those used locally (to me) fail including one catch fire and nearly burn a house down, and not seen a single Tunze fail in my circles, I know for fact you couldn't be more mistaken.

No, I don't tell anybody what to buy but we are talking about a company that doesn't give a damn about quality or business ethics, let alone support. Their only interest is taking your money regardless of their quality even if that means supplying power supplies with counterfeit or falsified UL labels when they first came to market. That doesn't concern you at all?? Anyhow, I'm sorry I even posted in this thread. I just hate seeing companies get ripped off and copying another companies design is just that.

 

[karimwassef]

Slief - I understand your position (and love your tank), but if there were thousands of failures, the Amazon website would be full of negative reviews. That's the case for plenty of other cheap vendors.

I've run half a dozen for a year and a half... They stall and need to be cleaned but all in service still.

I'm all for supporting the companies you personally have had success with and advocating strongly for them. But unless I have experienced these kinds of failure rates, I would stick to what I know or have data to support.

By the way, I feel the angst because in my professional career, I compete with copycats too. Some truly infringe.. Others are fast copiers with enough corners cut that many won't use them, but some will. I accept that, and focus on serving those who care about higher performance and quality. There's a market for the mediocre and it's a good thing. The exceptional also have a market and that's good too. But I wouldn't exaggerate and say that a mediocre product with a failure every year is the same as one failing every 30 days... It's just not true regardless of my desire to sell my product that works for a decade.

 

[shifty51008]

Read the amazon reviwes, most are people that only have had them for a couple of weeks